Chabot vs. Rielly

[TMLeafs17]

Rielly has been a true #1 D for about 1.5 seasons, and arguably longer if you ask some fans. This is not a recent thing.

Only for HF haters. He’s still not a #1 am I right people?

imo he’s been a #1 for at least 2 years.

 

[IPS]

Only for HF haters. He’s still not a #1 am I right people?

Rielly's never gotten respect on HFBoards.

3 years ago he was a 3rd-pairing offensive PP specialist. Last year he was a glorified 2nd pairing D playing over his head on a weak D core. Now this year he's been the best D-man thus far but he still can't be classified as a #1D for whatever stupid reason.

 

[HarrisonFord]

This is the worst post I have ever seen par for the course from you though.

Who said he's the best defender since Orr? Maybe in strict terms of offensive contributions. Who the hell said Turris is top 5 2 way centre in the game, I'll legit send you 50 bucks if you can find TWO POSTERS who said that. Why u mentioning Duchene with Turris when we didn't have them together, and top 20 C for Duchene is not absurd lol. Lmao at Lazar 40 goal guy.

You take other people's hyperbole's and blow them up 10 times more for such a terrible point.

Bro you’ve said all the things I listed lol. You legitimately called Lazar a future 40 goal scorer lmao. Do you really want me to post the quote?

 

[IPS]

It’s really weird with Riles. Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate!

Players gonna play play play play play!

I wonder how Shayne "better than Rielly according to HFBoards" Ghostisbhere is doing this year??

Weird, all these teams with better equivalents than Leafs players yet they're all behind the Leafs in the standings. Because reasons of course!!

 

[TMLeafs17]

Bro you’ve said all the things I listed lol. You legitimately called Lazar a future 40 goal scorer lmao. Do you really want me to post the quote?

Please do

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Rielly has been a true #1 D for about 1.5 seasons, and arguably longer if you ask some fans. This is not a recent thing.

What do you mean by "true #1"?

 

[joe dirte]

I remember they ran this poll like a week in the season and Leaf fans were acting like it was a ridiculous question.

I answered Chabot then. I'm sticking with my answer going forward. He's already better than Rielly and he's 21.

No it's still ridiculous.

 

[HarrisonFord]

Please do

My quote capabilities are limited on mobile but does “a future Toews if he improves his hands” work?

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...am-posts-edition.1708321/page-3#post-88019769

 

[bert]

Chabot is getting 5th hardest matchups of Dmen on Ottawa behind Boro, Ceci, Jaros, and DeMelo.

He is also getting the third most Ozone starts of Ottawa Dmen, only 1% lower than #1.

No stat points to this being sustainable.

He plays the most of all those players, still takes hard matchups you are arguing he doesnt. Also dont you think playing him in a situation that helps him and the team succeed is a good idea? Like you'd have to be pretty idiotic to want to start Boro over Chabot in the offensive zone. Unless you are trying to argue that's a good strategy? He also gets 47% o zone starts. So less than 50% ok good glad we cleared that up.

No i dont think he is going to score 110 points this season but he is still going to be a top 5 d man offensively. He doesnt get propped up by a team full of all stars either. You are arguing its a fluke that he is playing like an elite player, which is pure and utter B.S. He has been dominant this season eye test matches the production right now. Not to mention he was the best D man coming out of the CHL in a decade. Like I said in my earlier post you leaf fans are just brutal always tearing down other teams good players specifically canadian teams or Buffalo.

No one here in their right mind is arguing that Rielly isnt an elite D man, if they are its in retaliation to posts like yours about Chabot.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Bro you’ve said all the things I listed lol. You legitimately called Lazar a future 40 goal scorer lmao. Do you really want me to post the quote?

Please do

Please do. Buddy. Please show me where you claim that I legitimately said he's a future 40 goal scorer.

HarrisonFord's word on the line. You claimed I legitimately said he's a future 40 goal guy(not potential, even though I never said that too but FUTURE 40 goal guy). And then you threatened to post it. Find me the quote and back up your horrendous history of false insults and accusations once and for all.

Go. I'll send you 50 bucks

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I said future toews if he improves his hands and playmaking. That's like someone saying Laine can be Ovechkin if he improves his skating; does not make it the same as saying Laine can be Ovechkin. I was big on Lazar but I never said he was future 40 goal guy which is what was said.

 

[HarrisonFord]

I said future toews if he improves his hands and playmaking. That's like someone saying Laine can be Ovechkin if he improves his skating; does not make it the same as saying Laine can be Ovechkin. I was big on Lazar but I never said he was future 40 goal guy which is what was said.

As soon as I get to a computer I’ll go search it out. Just don’t go deleting it before I can get there

And okay but if Laine improves his skating he’s Ovechkin. If he doesn’t, he’s a 40g a year guy still. Lazar without improved hands and playmaking is an AHL guy

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Yo @HarrisonFord remember this?

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/c-curtis-lazar-2013-17th-overall-ottawa.879943/page-33

Someone said Lazar would score a few 35 goal seasons and you said no and I actually backed you up and said yea it would be around 25-30? My point in all this was some people do exaggerate, im one of them no doubt(even tho we were discussing potential of prospect), I was big on Lazar, but you take their exaggerations and make them much worse; which is what you just did above.....yet again. You're no better than those you are trying to disprove. In fact, you accuse posters of completely false information which is shameful.

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

Why do you think the Leafs are as good as they are, Rielly is anything but a passenger and his defensive play this year has taken giant steps.

And considering the 24 year old has a history of good play to speak of you'd think the common sense poster wouldnt jump on what may turn out to be a hot-streak from a player with no such history himself to back it up.

But you keep stat watching.

While I agree Rielly is a big reason on why the Leafs are doing well, do you think Rielly would have just as good defensive #s if you swapped teams??

Just look at the rosters again, and ask yourself that question.

Rielly is a number 1D and Chabot is well on his way. Honestly, I didn't expect this out of him so soon and so long as he stays healthy, I expect him to continue to improve.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

Why do you think the Leafs are as good as they are, Rielly is anything but a passenger and his defensive play this year has taken giant steps.

And considering the 24 year old has a history of good play to speak of you'd think the common sense poster wouldnt jump on what may turn out to be a hot-streak from a player with no such history himself to back it up.

But you keep stat watching.

No such history, eh?

What about being the first DMan MVP of the WJHC? DMan of the year in the Q? Playoff MVP in the Q? Scoring at a 50 point pace over 80 games in the NHL? Scoring at a 35 point pace as a rookie who didnt get prime offensive minutes?

Make your point without talking shite. You will never see me talk badly about Rielly because I don't need to make stuff up in order to justify my evaluation of another player. They are both excellent players and you can prefer Rielly - just know the reason that you provided for doing is a complete fabrication, and one I am almost certain you wouldn't apply were your biases to fall the other way.

 

[Skolman]

No it's still ridiculous.

But all those Matthews and other Leafs threads to start the season weren't ridiculous?

 

[Binister]

Once again a poll where a hot started player is facing a proven player (Pettersson vs Matthews). Still gonna take the proven one.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Chabot has more pedigree and is already living up to it.

 

[Panthaz89]

So the Senators are considered a "tire fire" yet Chabot is dominating on a team that has considerably less talent than Reily's...the mystery box comment is pretty laughable he was always a pretty damn good defenseman and was a star at the lower level along with the WJCs. I wonder how people are gonna spin Mittelstadt's rise when he hits a hot streak at some point whether its this year or next year.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Once again a poll where a hot started player is facing a proven player (Pettersson vs Matthews). Still gonna take the proven one.

What was Rielly 'proven at', though?

This is the first season they've both looked like anything special, and Rielly fell off a little after his four game hot streak to start the season. Chabot has remained consistent.

 

[TMLeafs17]

What was Rielly 'proven at', though?

This is the first season they've both looked like anything special, and Rielly fell off a little after his four game hot streak to start the season. Chabot has remained consistent.

Rielly is proven at handling top competition for the past 4 seasons, put up consistent 5v5 production, and when finally put on the PP last year put up 52 points.

Whereas Chabot hasn’t proven he can handle secondary matchups defensively and has less points to his career than Rielly had points last year. That’s the definition of unproven.

 

[KidLine93]

well i'm glad we traded the 16th pick and 2nd rounder in 2015 so we could be certain to obtain a cant miss defensemen in Griffen Reinhart since clearly there were no defensemen with upside available in the 16-20 range. :|

 

[rent free]

well i'm glad we traded the 16th pick and 2nd rounder in 2015 so we could be certain to obtain a cant miss defensemen in Griffen Reinhart since clearly there were no defensemen with upside available in the 16-20 range. :|

the oilers would have picked joel-eriksson ek with that pick...or so i heard...so i don't think they would have gotten chabot anyways

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Rielly is proven at handling top competition for the past 4 seasons, put up consistent 5v5 production, and when finally put on the PP last year put up 52 points.

Whereas Chabot hasn’t proven he can handle secondary matchups defensively and has less points to his career than Rielly had points last year. That’s the definition of unproven.

Meh.

Rielly wasn't really a top pairing D until last season, where he did good, but still didn't look like something you don't see THAT often. This season he looks special (well, did for the first few games, and overall has looked pretty good), but Chabot looks even better.

 

[TMLeafs17]

Meh.

Rielly wasn't really a top pairing D until last season, where he did good, but still didn't look like something you don't see THAT often. This season he looks special (well, did for the first few games, and overall has looked pretty good), but Chabot looks even better.

If you want to argue Chabot has looked better at 21 than Rielly did then sure I’ll give you that.

But Rielly has a been a #1 for far longer than HF will ever admit. I think your guy is great, but you’re weighing way too heavily on an unsustainable 16 game stretch.

edit: by the way your guy is #5 on your team in Quality of Competition, where Rielly was top 5 in the league last season.