CBJ Training Camp Thread (Sept 13th-Oct 3rd)

[WannabeFinn]

Stenlund to Cleveland.

Columbus Blue Jackets announce roster moves

What does a guy have to do to make the team?

Are we gonna pretend that Stenlund playing 4th line minutes is better for him and for Columbus long term than (I assume) being the 1C in Cleveland?

 

[pled]

so murray is skating but on IR and harrington is not skating but not on IR?

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Connor Carrick on waiver too. one of them got to be better than Clendening/Carlsson even maybe Kukan

Apparently he was not put on waivers like initially announced. Possible injury/IR time or trade sounds possible right now

 

[major major]

PP1:

Atkinson​

Dubois Foligno Panarin

Werenski
​

PP2:

Wennberg​

Duclair Bjorkstrand Jenner

Murray​

What are the lines from? I'm going to assume that Jenner is not on the half-wall and Atkinson is not net-front (seriously the goalie can see over Cam).

Murray's got PP chops so I'm excited to see what he can do. Nuti's maybe even a better scorer from the point (looked great for Finland) but after his adventurous game against the Pens you can understand him losing that spot for a while.

I just watched the Canes PP yesterday where they have two very good RHD shooters on the first unit points - Faulk and Hamilton. It was awkward, a waste of talent. I think it's pivotal to put shooters in one-timer position. Duclair at left-wall on the second unit is odd to me - we have several great RH shooters who would relish that position. Cam, Panarin, Jones, Bjorkstrand. There's only room for one of them to shoot from there on the top unit, and we're giving the second unit job to a guy who can't one-time from that spot because he's LH. Why?

 

[Maylo]

What are the lines from? I'm going to assume that Jenner is not on the half-wall and Atkinson is not net-front (seriously the goalie can see over Cam).

He lately added this.

PP units are changing up the personnel placements a little bit but player groupings are the same as what I tweeted earlier. #CBJ

 

[pled]

Apparently he was not put on waivers like initially announced. Possible injury/IR time or trade sounds possible right now

ehh but Ryan Murphy is available then ? idk if he's really better than what cbj have rn.
also sam gagner on waiver

 

[major major]

ehh but Ryan Murphy is available then ? idk if he's really better than what cbj have rn.
also sam gagner on waiver

Murphy is a PP specialist. Prapavessis looks more appealing to me actually.

I think the D is fine as far as PP players goes. I'm not so sure on the shutdown aspect. Dillon Heatherington took a step for the Stars but couldn't quite make the team this year, and is on waivers. That's an element we don't have, though not sure we need, and we will almost certainly not make a claim.

The tricky thing here is that the "holes" on D won't be known until we see some real games, and by then the alternatives won't be on waivers anymore.

 

[pled]

Murphy is a PP specialist. Prapavessis looks more appealing to me actually.

I think the D is fine as far as PP players goes. I'm not so sure on the shutdown aspect. Dillon Heatherington took a step for the Stars but couldn't quite make the team this year, and is on waivers. That's an element we don't have, though not sure we need, and we will almost certainly not make a claim.

The tricky thing here is that the "holes" on D won't be known until we see some real games, and by then the alternatives won't be on waivers anymore.

heatherington already claired waiver and I agree we don't need more PP but if Murray, jones and harrington arent there other than savard idk who will play pk

 

[KJ Dangler]

Are we gonna pretend that Stenlund playing 4th line minutes is better for him and for Columbus long term than (I assume) being the 1C in Cleveland?

Being that we don’t have a traditional 4th line, I don’t agree with that

 

[WannabeFinn]

Being that we don’t have a traditional 4th line, I don’t agree with that

Okay.. so a 4th line that plays 10-11 minutes per game? Still not likely getting any sort of special teams time. I would rather have Stenlund be getting top minutes 5v5 *and* on special teams.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Today , we saw a perfect example as to why Wennberg has been screamed at by his coach for 2 years , and why he doesn’t change. There is no accountability with Torts, and his talk about players coming in , and challenging for a spot , is just that , Talk. Stenlund was the best center in camp , and the 3rd leading scorer for the cbj. Wennberg took 2 shots in the preseason , and then for the last 4 games , was invisible on the ice , not recording a shot on goal , a point , etc . Just laughable , when you think about it . Id be pretty pissed if I were Stenlund .

 

[KJ Dangler]

Okay.. so a 4th line that plays 10-11 minutes per game? Still not likely getting any sort of special teams time. I would rather have Stenlund be getting top minutes 5v5 *and* on special teams.

You think Wennberg is better on the power play , then what Stenlund showed ? Teams will sag off Wennberg and play the passing lanes .

 

[Crede777]

You think Wennberg is better on the power play , then what Stenlund showed ? Teams will sag off Wennberg and play the passing lanes .

If / When Wennberg gets moved to a new team, he is suddenly going to figure everything out and start shooting. He is going to go 30-50-80 and it's going to be "why didn't he play like this for the Jackets" as it always is.

 

[Theo Von]

If / When Wennberg gets moved to a new team, he is suddenly going to figure everything out and start shooting. He is going to go 30-50-80 and it's going to be "why didn't he play like this for the Jackets" as it always is.

I would bet every single thing I own that Wennberg will never ever be a 30 goal scorer. No matter who he plays for.

 

[Crede777]

I would bet every single thing I own that Wennberg will never ever be a 30 goal scorer. No matter who he plays for.

Me too which is why it would be just like the Jackets luck for him to turn around and do it once moved.

 

[Theo Von]

We’ll see.

 

[major major]

Okay.. so a 4th line that plays 10-11 minutes per game? Still not likely getting any sort of special teams time. I would rather have Stenlund be getting top minutes 5v5 *and* on special teams.

So you're saying he shouldn't make the team, even though he should, because he would just get misused? Stenlund is an offensive upgrade - so if used properly he'd be on the second unit PP.

10-11 mins at evens plus 2-3 minutes of PP is fine for development.

 

[Maylo]

"I scored a lot of points [in the preason], obviously(so humble ), and I think I did a pretty good job overall," said Stenlund, who also led the Blue Jackets to victory in the 2018 NHL Prospects Tournament in Traverse City, Mich. "We'll see what they say. Hopefully it was enough, but if not, I'm just going to keep going and keep working in Cleveland."

No kid, sorry, we have a hierarchy over here.

 

[WannabeFinn]

So you're saying he shouldn't make the team, even though he should, because he would just get misused? Stenlund is an offensive upgrade - so if used properly he'd be on the second unit PP.

10-11 mins at evens plus 2-3 minutes of PP is fine for development.

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. I’m not convinced at all that he would be utilized on the power play.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

"I scored a lot of points [in the preason], obviously(so humble ), and I think I did a pretty good job overall," said Stenlund, who also led the Blue Jackets to victory in the 2018 NHL Prospects Tournament in Traverse City, Mich. "We'll see what they say. Hopefully it was enough, but if not, I'm just going to keep going and keep working in Cleveland."

No kid, sorry, we have a hierarchy over here.

Because a body of work means more than 4 exhibition games

 

[Crede777]

"I scored a lot of points [in the preason], obviously(so humble ), and I think I did a pretty good job overall," said Stenlund, who also led the Blue Jackets to victory in the 2018 NHL Prospects Tournament in Traverse City, Mich. "We'll see what they say. Hopefully it was enough, but if not, I'm just going to keep going and keep working in Cleveland."

No kid, sorry, we have a hierarchy over here.

I mean, Torts can say what he wants but they aren't going to send down or scratch any of Dubois, Wennberg, Dubinsky, and Nash. The only one I could have seen was Dubinsky if he had a bad camp, but he has been pretty good.

The team also has Sedlak and Letestu in case of injury.

Meanwhile, Stenlund gets a season in the AHL getting top minutes and playing under John Madden.

We have had goalies (Korpisalo, Forsberg), wingers (Milano, Abramov, Bjorkstrand, Anderson), and a defenseman (Carlsson) get significant experience in the AHL within the last few years. I can't think of any serious center prospects for the CBJ who have spent significant time in the AHL in the last few years. Maybe Sedlak. Otherwise, Dubois, Wennberg, and Karlsson went pretty much straight to the NHL.

 

[CBJFan827]

I agree with @Crede777. And Sedlak got to the NHL on the back of less than half a season on a torrid pace and clutch goals in the Calder Cup championship run. Before that, he was not guaranteed to get another contract. He was nothing special. Ryan MacInnis and Justin Scott have been similarly productive at the AHL level.

TBH, I'm not sure I see a place for Sedlak with the team after this year. I'm going to be interested to see what he brings this season after his injuries last year.

 

[MoeBartoli]

I agree with @Crede777.

TBH, I'm not sure I see a place for Sedlak with the team after this year. I'm going to be interested to see what he brings this season after his injuries last year.

Agree. In fact I think there are better options to fill in on the bottom 6 right now in case of injuries. Sedlak is a guy who will reduce ice time for the 4th line rather than get them to the 10-12 minute mark.

 

[CBJFan827]

The problem I see with people advocating for Hannikainen or Sedlak being sent down to the A instead of Stenlund is that both are right on/over the border of no longer being considered developmental players by the AHL rules. (279 and 274, respectively including NHL/AHL/elite Euro leagues like SM-liiga), which would add to Cleveland's glut of non-developmental players (aka played more than 260 professional games).

 

[CBJx614]

We’ll see.

He also said directly after "I don't put a lot into players performances in exhibition games"

And Wennberg has already admitted to having a bad camp and preseason and is going to focus on his game. Which is exactly what you want from s player.