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No, not yet, but with some more development, they might be.I agree there nowhere near Kapanen’s level.
No, not yet, but with some more development, they might be.I agree there nowhere near Kapanen’s level.
Not lost at all. Your sarcasm was misplaced because it had no relevance to the argument. The rest of your long winded statement is just drivel. Yeah Dundon loves him. That great bastion of hockey knowledge. That’s why he’s a franchise player, because a know nothing owner who thinks he’s hockey’s version of Mark Cuban declares him untouchable!Obviously my sarcasm was lost on you. I’ll explain... Toronto trade threads tend to attract Leaf fans that wildly overvalue their player’s actual worth. It’s not a flaw solely limited to Leaf fandom, but the plethora of Leaf fans make it seem more prevalent than it would for other team’s fan bases.
Let’s say 5% of fans overvalue their players. Since Carolina only has 20 fans, that means there is one pesky Carolina fan overrating the value of their players. Not really a noticeable issue. It’s almost cute.
But when there over 9000 fans, the noise is a little harder to tune out. The bad apples truly spoil the bunch.
Joking aside, Aho is absolutely a franchise player for Carolina. He may not fit YOUR definition of what a franchise player is, but Dundon loves the guy, has called him absolutely untouchable, and will be making the kid one of the highest paid players in the game with the intent of building around him. To me, that’s the very definition of a franchise player whether you agree or not.
Not lost at all. Your sarcasm was misplaced because it had no relevance to the argument.
The rest of your long winded statement is just drivel. Yeah Dundon loves him. That great bastion of hockey knowledge. That’s why he’s a franchise player, because a know nothing owner who thinks he’s hockey’s version of Mark Cuban declares him untouchable!
Is that your reasoning?
I agree there nowhere near Kapanen’s level.
Well....i see this thread hass gone deeper into the sewer.....carry on.The more you think the less player are.
Kaps is a top5 player in the league.
Well....i see this thread hass gone deeper into the sewer.....carry on.
If they did, it would open up the idea of dealing Gardiner i guess.I don't love Faulk but I could see the Leafs trying to get him with some picks at the deadline.
2 things...and with all seriousness...When's the last time 20 point player has been hyped like this?
Ellis/Parayko/Pesce, Kaps should be in the talks for them all.
Your pace arguments are always so easy to skip over. A week ago Kapanen was on a 31 goal scorer, today he is a 28 goal scorer on pace and probably even lower than that when we hit 82 games.why would you even bother saying this? do you think anyone thinks you actually know which of these guys is a better PKer than the other?
At least with kappy, we have some objective evidence that he's pretty great on the PK. There's 4 leafs forwards that get significant PK time - Hyman, Brown, Lindholm, Kapanen. Now Kappy is generally on the 2nd PK unit, but there's not a huge difference between the two units in general, and Kappy's defensive numbers on the PK are easily the best:
zone/score adjusted:
Kappy: 42.9ca/60, 1.97xga/60, 1.72ga/60
Brown: 52.7ca/60, 2.44xga/60, 2.47ga/60
Hyman: 57.7ca/60, 2.51xga/60, 2.55ga/60
Lindholm: 53.4ca/60, 2.73xga/60, 3.97ga/60
no adjustments:
Kappy: 84.5ca/60, 5.70xga/60, 4.83ga/60
Brown: 105.6ca/60, 6.96xga/60, 7.04ga/60
Hyman: 120.8ca/60, 7.43xga/60, 7.71ga/60
Lindholm: 107.5ca/60, 7.85xga/60, 11.26ga/60
Now we can only learn so much from PK stats, but Kappy is such a big jump up from the others that it's hard to ignore - especially since his main PK partner Lindholm is easily he worst of the 4.
And looking back the previous year's numbers seem to tell a similar story.
The objective evidence suggests Kappy is a pretty terrific PKer.
Why do you have to make stuff up to try and make Kapanen look worse?
When's the last time 20 point player has been hyped like this?
Ellis/Parayko/Pesce, Kaps should be in the talks for them all.
Your pace arguments are always so easy to skip over. A week ago Kapanen was on a 31 goal scorer, today he is a 28 goal scorer on pace and probably even lower than that when we hit 82 games.
Problem with your pace arguments, they are not a substitute for actual production.
As I said at the time, Kapanen's production was bound to drop because unless you are a Laine or Boeser caliber shooter. Player's do not sustain 19% shooting percentages over a 82 game schedule.
You do not charts on pace to know this or what Kapanen truly is. Or not until he can actually prove it over a 82 game sample in season.
Ok here's your original post...It doesn’t because they are not. I moved no goal posts. Read the original post and try a little comprehension. And Aho does not have more goals. It’s simple math.
Aho and KK both have 12 goals, but Aho's have been scored in fewer games. Aho will also score more goals than KK over time too, as I pointed out.TT has done nothing away from Aho. Kapanen has his advanced defensive game, plays well on a line with Kadri and would instantly be your fastest player, highest goal scorer and best penalty killing forward. TT, not so much.
/60 stats are not pace or projection?1. um...there's no pace stats there. no scoring stats even.
2.how has ignoring the stats been working out for you?
2 things...and with all seriousness...
1. Kap would just be one piece in a deal. He doesn't land a top pair D 1 for 1.
2. Pesce isn't in the same tier as Ellis or Parayko.
I dunno, probably when Petterson started beating Matthews in the polls just 5 games into his NHL career? Judging by your pithy comments over the last 5 pages of this thread or so, you really have an issue with Kapanen being called a... first line winger? I mean, okay, if that's outrageous overhype then I guess we're all just nutty over in Leafland. Forgive us for thinking that 55 point play, with no PP time, is a good hockey player who might get better. There have been more than enough sensible comments about Kapanen's realistic current projection and upside, but you've substituted that reality for your own and have like 5 posts now mocking him for being an overhyped franchise player.
Then you put Pesce on the same level as Ellis or Parayko. BRUH.
I'll try again.
Kap + Bracco for Pesce.
As a Leaf fan I could live with that
I don't think the Canes would accept that for Faulk. Zero chance for Pesce.
Pesce might move in a deal for a piece like Tarasenko or ROR.
Well, we know one thing. Kapanen is no longer a 31 goal player, after your 31 goal pace projection dropped with 2 more games to the sampling. Sell high if you can.
Well, we know one thing. Kapanen is no longer a 31 goal player, after your 31 goal pace projection dropped with 2 more games to the sampling. Sell high if you can.
Then if we are building around Kappy for Pesce, what would you consider to be an appropriate add?
Do you know who else isnt a game changer? The answer may shock youThe problem is Carolina needs a real high end forward addition, Kapanen just isn't that, he's not a game changer.
If they trade Pesce for Kapanen+ who are they then trading for that high end forward?