Speculation: Captain (Rolston - Captain To Be Named Today)

[BUCKSHOT]

Am I really the stubborn one here, or is it the guy trying to pick an argument in order to pick an argument?

I said Captain isn't always the best player

You said "alot of the time it is"

Several examples have been given (of just Sabre) Captains that weren't the best player while Captain

 

[stokes84]

I said Captain isn't always the best player

You said "alot of the time it is"

Several examples have been given (of just Sabre) Captains that weren't the best player while Captain

And there are A LOT of examples that are.

 

[dotcommunism]

And there are A LOT of examples that are.

Either you brought up that fact to counter the statement that the captain isn't always the best player or you just brought it up for the complete hell of it as a total non-sequitur

 

[BUCKSHOT]

And there are A LOT of examples that are.

lets get them out here then ....





cause in my mind "alot" means 65-90% of the time

 

[stokes84]

I don't understand how this I'd difficult. I really don't.

 

[BUCKSHOT]

I don't understand how this I'd difficult. I really don't.

you made a statement "alot of Captains are the teams best player"


a few other posters have disagreed, and you are yet to confirm your point of "alot"

 

[stokes84]

Getzlaf, Chara, Staal, Benn, Weber, Tavares, Spezza, Giroux, Crosby, Backes, Thornton, Sedin, Ovechkin

 

[BUCKSHOT]

Getzlaf, Chara, Staal, Benn, Weber, Tavares, Spezza, Giroux, Crosby, Backes, Thornton, Sedin, Ovechkin

13 ...... isn't "alot" to me

 

[stokes84]

13 ...... isn't "alot" to me

Weird.

 

[BUCKSHOT]

Weird.

what is weird ?

those 13 aren't even 50% of the teams (IF those guys were all captains right now)

 

[stokes84]

what is weird ?

those 13 aren't even 50% of the teams (IF those guys were all captains right now)

It's weird that you attach a percentage to a broad statement.

 

[stokes84]

Better yet, list the captain's who aren't one of the two or three best players on their teams. It's not a very long list. Salvador, Gionta (was when he was named though), Jovanovski. The end.

 

[AirBriere48]

13 ...... isn't "alot" to me

Ignoring whether or not that figure is correct, how is 13/30 not "a lot" to you?

 

[Jame]

Do we have a player of that caliber here?

the point i was making before this went off the rails, was that we have a bunch of players developing who have those traits

 

[BUCKSHOT]

Ignoring whether or not that figure is correct, how is 13/30 not "a lot" to you?

see my quote below

cause in my mind "alot" means 65-90% of the time

 

[stokes84]

the point i was making before this went off the rails, was that we have a bunch of players developing who have those traits

I agree with you on this point, and in an ideal world one of those guys would eventually rise to that position. But if Vanek were to maintain the C, I don't think it would be a travesty because of the point I made before it went off the rails.

And then, hopefully by the time Vanek left, one of those players could step in for Vanek. Girgensons or whoever else would be 26 or 27 , ready to take the C. Of course it's ridiculous to project that far, but one of those guys doesn't NEED to be pushed into that role.

 

[haseoke39]

A lot doesn't mean most of the time. If it did, we'd just say "most of the time."

A lot is a vague term that can vary with context.

Everybody who's fighting stokes on this is coming off as childish.

 

[Jame]

i hope this conversation dies... a lot

 

[slovakia18]

So Ott was Captain than i think Ott is Captain for the Season.
For me a"big Fail", Vanek play his 9th.Season.
With Vanek "C" the Sabres lose no Game in Pre season!

 

[Wisent42]

i hope this conversation dies... a lot

Me too. Like "go die in a fire"-die.

 

[Salzig]

Getzlaf, Chara, Staal, Benn, Weber, Tavares, Spezza, Giroux, Crosby, Backes, Thornton, Sedin, Ovechkin

I don't care if 13/30 is "a lot" or not, but who of these players are good leaders?

Benn, Spezza and Tavares don't count, they're heading into their first season as captain. Some people in Washington say Ovechkin isn't a great leader, the same thing can be said about Thornton (playoff-curse) and Sedin.

My point is that it doesn't make any sense to make your best player team captain, only because he's your best player. There are different player types out there and some players are natural leaders and some players just don't.

The best players of the team usually have a good reputation in the locker room and through the league, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're good leaders, too.

In my opinion is Ryan Callahan the best captain in the NHL. This guy does literally everything to win. And yet, I wouldn't say that he's the best player on the Rangers, even though he's definitely one of the best, but not the best.

 

[slovakia18]

The best players of the team usually have a good reputation in the locker room and through the league, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're good leaders, too.

and vanek has exactly that.
http://nesn.com/2013/04/andrew-fere...s-thomas-vaneks-idea-calls-move-ultra-classy/

Vanek is the Captain wen Rolston call a other Player, that season is for nothing...
Look:
You go in the 9.th season with ONE TEAM,you 2 years Assistent Captain and than the Team is Captain loose (Trade in March) and the Coach don't named you for teh New Captain....Sorry PLEASE!
All Knows Vanek must be teh new Captain!!!

 

[jBuds]

I don't like that it might still be up in the air for Ron Ron. Hoping he has had his choice pegged for a week, at least.

 

[Paxon]

I don't like that it might still be up in the air for Ron Ron. Hoping he has had his choice pegged for a week, at least.

Well, he did say it would be after the last preseason game, so it's entirely possible that he's more or less made up his mind but is sticking to his word and letting things play out. My guess is he reveals it after final cuts are made.

 

[tsujimoto74]

I'm all for Vanek. If there's any chance he might re-sign here, it'll give him a huge role on the team and engage him in the rebuild. Plus, obviously being able to keep Vanek should make the rebuild a bit shorter, since it's one less hole we'd have to find a prospect to fill.
If he's not going to stay, then I'd rather have a temporary captain in the short term anyway. Give the young guys another year to develop and mature and see who steps up. We've got lots of younsters already on the roster that I could see emerging as leaders (Foligno, Hodgson, Pysyk, Larsson, Myers, maybe Girgensons (if he makes the team)); I'd rather see who assumes that role naturally than slap a letter on one of the kids now and hope it was the right call.