Post-Game Talk: Caps @ Rangers

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IAMREALITY

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Too young to remember early 90s Mess. Unfortunately not too young to remember Messier round 2

Well that explains it.

But that would be kinda like me stating that MSL doesn't deserve at all to be mentioned as a future hall of famer because what I've seen of him the past year hasn't at all been indicative of someone deserving of such an honor.

...and no, I wouldn't ever say that.
 

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Well that explains it.

But that would be kinda like me stating that MSL doesn't deserve at all to be mentioned as a future hall of famer because what I've seen of him the past year hasn't at all been indicative of someone deserving of such an honor.

...and no, I wouldn't ever say that.

Messier deserves to be a HoFer and he is one of the best players ever. I don't think he was one of the best Rangers ever though.
 

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Because it's an opinion. And cause I feel like it.

Like I said; I have heard nothing that would lend itself as valid excuse for his not being there. As I have previously stated, until I do I will continue to strongly believe he should've been there. And that's ok. Cause I'm allowed to have an opinion, even when it's one you don't very much like.

I just can't see a legitimate reason for his absence, especially considering last night. Tell me, do you not believe he should've been there, as the captain, at the practice the day after last night's cluster****? Do you think he should've been? If you do, then tell me, instead of just blasting me, what circumstances do you see as legitimate for his not being there?

As far as I'm concerned he should've been. I'll change my mind when something comes out that legitimately would shed light on why he shouldn't have been.

Yes, you're allowed to have your opinion. I'm allowed to question it, especially when it's based on nothing but a lack of information, which we as fans almost always lack.

Do I belive he should have been there? Did you read what I wrote? I know nothing of why he wasn't there. I don't believe he should or shouldn't have at all because I lack every single possible relevant detail as to what might have led to him not being there.

What circumstances could possibly be legitimate? Geez, I don't know, a million things - maybe a family member or close friend is sick, maybe a family member or close friend died, maybe he himself has an injury that would be exacerbated by skating today, maybe he has the runs, maybe he's got any number of possible problems that would lead AV to telling him not to come to practice today. You're talking as if they got blown out 10 - 0 in a pivotal game against a crap opponent. They barely lost a close game 1 to another good team. Until the last second, the only goal they let in was an OV PP shot. This isn't the end of the world. If anything, I'd hope a leader on NYR isn't so easily rattled that barely losing game 1 sends them into a panic and forces them to go to a practice that the coach doesn't think they need to, or should, be at.
 

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The saving grace is this wake up call came early.

We can kick their collective *****, but we are going to have roll up our sleeves and really get dirty working for it.

If I knew for a fact McIrath could skate well enough --- and I don't know he can or cannot -- I'd have him shadowing AO. Do the bump and grind within limits, so no penalty on us, then when Alex gets frustrated, have him and Dylan go at it. AO is the bigger bull, but Dylan the enforcer specialist.

Without AO, the caps (see what I did there, with the lower case)
are nothing.
 

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Too young to remember early 90s Mess. Unfortunately not too young to remember Messier round 2.

Which essentially, and I don't mean to be a dick, disqualifies you from judging him. Messier round two was an awful, sad ordeal, but that doesn't change the fact that he was no doubt one of the best players to ever lace them up. He was a scorer, a playmaker, a leader AND an intimidator. There's no one like him in the game today.

I am definitely concerned about Mac's role as captain. Sure he might need some time to grow into it, but this team unfortunately doesn't have time to kill. An aging Henrik (I know he's not that old) and the salary cap have removed that luxury. I think this team has enough leadership in the room to overcome that mess from last night, but I also think McDonagh will probably not be a critical part of that, regardless of the letter on his chest. Whether that's a good or bad thing I don't know.
 

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Messier deserves to be a HoFer and he is one of the best players ever. I don't think he was one of the best Rangers ever though.

He is arguably THE greatest Ranger. Ever. He won more cups in Edmonton, but the most important cup of his career was won here in NY. As far as him being dirty goes...nice guys finish last. And that's coming from a "nice guy". And Messier considers himself a Ranger, not an Oiler. He meant much more to the city of NY than he ever did to Edmonton. Gretzky is an Oiler. Messier is a Ranger.
 

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Messier deserves to be a HoFer and he is one of the best players ever. I don't think he was one of the best Rangers ever though.

Yes, he was. Messier is under-rated. Gretzky can keep his points (Messier has a bunch too), but I've never seen a player will a team, a game, or a season as Mark Messier could.

As I've grown, I've appreciated him even more.
 

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The saving grace is this wake up call came early.

We can kick their collective *****, but we are going to have roll up our sleeves and really get dirty working for it.

If I knew for a fact McIrath could skate well enough --- and I don't know he can or cannot -- I'd have him shadowing AO. Do the bump and grind within limits, so no penalty on us, then when Alex gets frustrated, have him and Dylan go at it. AO is the bigger bull, but Dylan the enforcer specialist.

Without AO, the caps (see what I did there, with the lower case)
are nothing.

cant tell if srs, hope not...if are, dylan mcilrath culdn't cut it as a#6/7...so attempting to cover the greatest goal scorer of this generation in the playoffs is more than far-fetched and probably an overreaction to that game 1 loss
 

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I disagree with them. Messier's number should be up there, but I think there some other Rangers that should be up there over Graves and Richter.

You just said you were too young to remember Messier, so who do you think was snubbed in the rafters?

Graves and Richter not in the rafters?

I don't know what time zone you are in, but it's past your bedtime.
 

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Messier deserves to be a HoFer and he is one of the best players ever. I don't think he was one of the best Rangers ever though.

in six years in his first stint with rangers messier never had less than 25 goals and 91 points in a season in which he played more than 70 games. won the hart trophy and most outstanding player award in 91-92. had 30 points in 23 playoff games in 94. and helped bring the 1st cup to the rangers in 54 years. 2nd leading scorer in rangers playoff history. 5th all time in career points as a ranger. so yeah he is an all time great ranger. my list of all time great rangers skaters is gilbert , leetch and messier in no particular order.
 

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in six years in his first stint with rangers messier never had less than 25 goals and 91 points in a season in which he played more than 70 games. won the hart trophy and most outstanding player award in 91-92. had 30 points in 23 playoff games in 94. and helped bring the 1st cup to the rangers in 54 years. 2nd leading scorer in rangers playoff history. 5th all time in career points as a ranger. so yeah he is an all time great ranger. my list of all time great rangers skaters is gilbert , leetch and messier in no particular order.

And no knocks at Leetch, but I still think Messier deserved the Smythe. We are talking a difference of a few points, and Messier had the guarantee!
 

IAMREALITY

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Yes, you're allowed to have your opinion. I'm allowed to question it, especially when it's based on nothing but a lack of information, which we as fans almost always lack.

Do I belive he should have been there? Did you read what I wrote? I know nothing of why he wasn't there. I don't believe he should or shouldn't have at all because I lack every single possible relevant detail as to what might have led to him not being there.

What circumstances could possibly be legitimate? Geez, I don't know, a million things - maybe a family member or close friend is sick, maybe a family member or close friend died, maybe he himself has an injury that would be exacerbated by skating today, maybe he has the runs, maybe he's got any number of possible problems that would lead AV to telling him not to come to practice today. You're talking as if they got blown out 10 - 0 in a pivotal game against a crap opponent. They barely lost a close game 1 to another good team. Until the last second, the only goal they let in was an OV PP shot. This isn't the end of the world. If anything, I'd hope a leader on NYR isn't so easily rattled that barely losing game 1 sends them into a panic and forces them to go to a practice that the coach doesn't think they need to, or should, be at.

The point was whether barring any of those excuses, you would think he should've been there.

But I'm kinda done discussing the point with you, since I find the concept a bit ridiculous that you think it means he would've been rattled and unleaderlike to have been there, or that it's considered panicking; my assessment that he should've been after last night. So obviously, I know there's no getting through to you.

And no, we have no info. But the expectation is that he'd be there. It's ok to default to thinking that he should've been, and continuing to hold that view until something comes out to show otherwise; as opposed to the other way around.

And every other damn Ranger was there, so stop acting like it was just some loosely held come if ya want, whatever type practice. Every other Ranger was there. So yes, I expected him there too. No, it isn't a big deal in the slightest that I hold that view. Why you're acting like it's so inappropriate of me to hold that view is a bit astounding to me.

It's just a simple opinion. No, it's not panicking to think that this team needs the leadership to step up right now. He's the Captain, which puts him at the top of that list. And no, it's doesn't have to be some blowout 10-0 game in order to believe the leadership needs to focus the ship. Not one bit.

But he ****ed up big last night. I think it was important for him to come back today and set the right tone, leading into tomorrow.

But whatever. I've wasted far more time on a really don't give all that much a **** of a topic anyway, and the points have been made (and I'm sure plenty here agree he should've been there, barring a death in the family or substantial injury). He wasn't. Not the end of the world, just simply something I noticed, and was disappointed with. Big friggin deal. Time to move on.
 

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And no knocks at Leetch, but I still think Messier deserved the Smythe. We are talking a difference of a few points, and Messier had the guarantee!

Leetch had one of the most dominant playoffs ever from a defenseman. Messier's guarantee, while amazing, doesn't warrant the Smythe.
 

Doctyl

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You just said you were too young to remember Messier, so who do you think was snubbed in the rafters?

Graves and Richter not in the rafters?

I don't know what time zone you are in, but it's past your bedtime.

Why do Graves and Richter deserve to be in the rafters? Both of their Rangers careers are pretty overrated. Richter is a top 5 goalie in Rangers history, but I think Lundqvist Giacomin and Vanbiesbrouk are/were easily better than him. I just don't see why Graves has his number hanging there over a lot of other great Rangers.
 

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holy crap this has got to be the first time in many years where a thread post-loss (especially in the playoffs) isn't full of people about to shoelace themselves.

good to see.
 

ReggieDunlop68

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Leetch had one of the most dominant playoffs ever from a defenseman. Messier's guarantee, while amazing, doesn't warrant the Smythe.

You said your too young to remember 90s Messier right?

It was a difference of a few points between the two, and without the guarantee, Jersey would be sitting on 4 cups instead of 3, and the curse would still be here.
 

Doctyl

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You said your too young to remember 90s Messier right?

It was a difference of a few points between the two, and without the guarantee, Jersey would be sitting on 4 cups instead of 3, and the curse would still be here.

Without Leetch there is no cup.
 

IAMREALITY

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Why do Graves and Richter deserve to be in the rafters? Both of their Rangers careers are pretty overrated. Richter is a top 5 goalie in Rangers history, but I think Lundqvist Giacomin and Vanbiesbrouk are/were easily better than him. I just don't see why Graves has his number hanging there over a lot of other great Rangers.

Let me guess; you're judging Richter by the 2 years or whatever you watched him play, and comparing him to several players of which you never had? Okie dokie.
 

ReggieDunlop68

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Why do Graves and Richter deserve to be in the rafters? Both of their Rangers careers are pretty overrated. Richter is a top 5 goalie in Rangers history, but I think Lundqvist Giacomin and Vanbiesbrouk are/were easily better than him. I just don't see why Graves has his number hanging there over a lot of other great Rangers.

I get that you don't see it.

Cuz you didn't see it.

Ya feel me boo?
 
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