twabby
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Tomas Hertl. Washington needs more scoring punch and he would help both at even strength and on the power play.
He’d cost a lot in terms of assets but he’d be worth it.
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Tomas Hertl. Washington needs more scoring punch and he would help both at even strength and on the power play.
He’d cost a lot in terms of assets but he’d be worth it.
hb12xchamps
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TDL most likely boils down to how long Mantha is out and if they feel he can quickly pick up his game if he does return. If he’s out until playoffs, they absolutely should swing for the fences. I know people are hesitant about throwing 1st and 2nd rounders around but this team has been very resilient and could make a long playoff run. Guys like Hertl or Giroux should definitely be on the table.
What will be interesting is if they make any of Lapierre, McMichael or Protas available. I think Fehervary is now on the untouchable list given his steady play alongside Carlson and his overall development curve this season.
What will be interesting is if they make any of Lapierre, McMichael or Protas available. I think Fehervary is now on the untouchable list given his steady play alongside Carlson and his overall development curve this season.
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We are one of the highest scoring teams in the league and you think we need scoring punch. I completely disagree.
If we make additions it should be a 2 way player or a depth player.
twabby
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The scoring and chance generation has dried up for 3 straight postseasons. I'd much rather have another top-end scoring option who can drive play than a depth winger who might get 8 minutes a night or a 7th defenseman when Washington is likely already 7 or 8 defensemen deep. Go big, or go home.
Besides, Tomas Hertl is an excellent two-way player at even strength, kills penalties, and wins faceoffs at a 53% clip for his career. You should try looking at spreadsheets some time!
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Well we could definitely do worse than Hertl. What would we have to give up though?
maacoshark
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I know his game but I don't think we should give up too much to get him.
And that's exactly what would happen.
And you should really try to learn the game without looking at a spread sheet.
You really have no clue. Do you?
Yup this guy is good because the spreadsheet said so. I've never actually watched him play though. Yes I'm rolling my eyes.
twabby
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I'd be willing to part with a first round pick and probably one of Lapierre/McMichael if it meant landing Hertl and getting him signed to a contract extension.
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Wow. That's s big if. And is that a good deal if we can't sign him long term.
And can we find cap space to sign him long term.
If we wanted to keep him we would have to free up some space somewhere.
I'm thinking if we traded for him, he would be a rental.
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He’s gonna want 8 years and I don’t think we can give out contracts that extend past Ovechkin’s. Most likely we would only get Hertl as a rental.
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Nothing against Hertl but this franchise has many forwards signed to long term deals and quite a few forward prospects either NHL ready or knocking on the door.
It doesn't make sense to sign him to a long term. Even if you trade one of them, Protas/CMC/Lapierre need to fit in somewhere. 19/92 aren't going anywhere.
hb12xchamps
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Tampa also was a very good scoring team and added even more pieces to their roster.
The goal scoring will dry up come playoff time. Ovechkin is having a phenomenal season, but if his goal scoring declines the team is in some trouble.
Carlzner
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Next 2-3 years, locks:
Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Wilson
X - Backstrom - Oshie
Sheary (bargain contract) - X - X
X - Dowd - Hathaway
Fill-in options: Mantha, Eller, Hagelin, Sprong, McMicheal, Lapierre, Protas
Quality depth prospects: Malenstyn, Leason
That's a lot of pieces for 4 open spots. Even if you subtract 2-3 for Hertl it's still a lot of pieces.
Gotta be a rental this season, I think Giroux would fit in perfectly anywhere in the top 9.
Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Wilson
X - Backstrom - Oshie
Sheary (bargain contract) - X - X
X - Dowd - Hathaway
Fill-in options: Mantha, Eller, Hagelin, Sprong, McMicheal, Lapierre, Protas
Quality depth prospects: Malenstyn, Leason
That's a lot of pieces for 4 open spots. Even if you subtract 2-3 for Hertl it's still a lot of pieces.
Gotta be a rental this season, I think Giroux would fit in perfectly anywhere in the top 9.
hb12xchamps
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The best part about Giroux is his ability to play both wing and center. That’s extremely valuable to a team that has had their top 4 centers play together once or twice this season.
twabby
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Eller would be the likely cap casualty if Hertl were re-signed. Eller and Schultz currently make $7.5M against the cap, and that's about what I think Hertl is going to get for a long-term deal. I'm not worried about the cap.
Even in the case that Hertl would just be a rental, where do we see Lapierre fitting in, for example? He scored a few points in the preseason but is he really going to be an impact player on this roster any time soon? I don't see him cracking the roster next year, so doesn't he have more value as a trade chip if they are trying to maximize the team's chances during the final years of Ovechkin's career? What do we really see as the likely development paths of both McMichael and Lapierre? Do they even approach what Hertl brings? I doubt it.
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The guy is suggesting we add Hertl. I can't see that working. We would have to give up alot for a player we might not be able to keep. Another thing no one thought of is that he is a Centre. So which of our centre's gets bumped or moved to wing. Are we going to bump Kuzy or Backstrom for Hertl? I doubt it very much. And Hertl isn't going to be a bottom 6 player.
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I think to get Hertl Eller would have to be part of the deal.
I'm also not sure where you would play him.I can't see us bumping Kuzy of Backstrom to 3rd line Centre or move them to wing.
Carlzner
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Exactly.
This team simply cannot go far in the playoffs if they have to resort to Oshie at center again like last year.
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hb12xchamps
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Thought AA looked decent in his debut. Maybe they are just giving the D prospects at Hershey a rotating shot.
txpd
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Just so we are clear. No matter how dominant the Capitals are 5v5 this season, they need more scoring punch because last playoffs. The Caps are tied for the league lead in 5v5 scoring. I think they may lead in even strenth goal differential.
txpd
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The best part about Giroux is 60% face offs. The Caps get Giroux if he says he will waive for a trade to the Caps and thats it.
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Backstrom has played all of 2 games this season. Im not sure we need another center right now. We do have a decent history in trades with the flyers
twabby
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I'm still concerned about Backstrom's hip. If he proves to be healthy and effective up until the trade deadline then I'd be confident in his health going into the postseason, but I'm not there yet.
Giroux would be a good option if he waives to come to DC for this reason. I wonder if he's going to be available though. If so, I'd definitely put a bid in for his services.
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