Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) -- 2018-19 We Are The Champions Edition - Pt. 3

[Silky mitts]

The Caps think no coach is worth more than $4M a year and fired Boudreau after Ovy called him a fat F while the Habs traded PK Subban after Therrien ripped him.

 

[HunterSThompson]

No big shockers but surprised they didn't give Alexeyev a longer taste of bit camp.

WHL regular season begins in two days.

 

[kicksavedave]

So they were giving him a "one word" type rapid fire interview. They asked him "your on an island, who do you want with you?" He answered Orpik. When asked why, he went into more detail on how Orpik is the guy who will take care of you. He will make good decisions, and make sure you don't do something stupid, he is smart and cares about the team. And that was coming from Nicky who is a elder himself.

I don't mind him hanging around helping the new kids at all.

So basically Orpik is the leader of men than Troy Brouwer and/or Brooks Laich were supposed to have been.

The idea that a players contributions are more than the sum of what he does on the ice isn't lost on me. I would also venture to guess that maybe, just maybe, Orpik has had something to do with Ovi maturing over the past few years. If Ovi wants to break some scoring records, he'll have to take great care of himself off the ice to stick around that long. Doesn't seem anyone better suited to mentor that sort of lifestyle than Orpik.

Easily worth the $1M for another year of a coach in the room and off the ice.

 

[Raikkonen]

Wish we got to see more of Aleyev and Fehervary.

Step by step. We need to know what we have in LuJo Siege Hobbs Bowey first. Next wave could wait a little.

 

[Ridley Simon]

A lot of people in this thread conveniently bypassing the fact that Orpik had to be packaged with Grubauer to trade and was subsequently bought out.

We don’t bypass that.....any more than other people in his thread conveniently bypass the fact that Orpik was integral in this team winning its first ever Stanley Cup.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

No big shockers but surprised they didn't give Alexeyev a longer taste of bit camp.

Meh, you're not going to play him in another game because there is just too much actual NHL/AHL talent to assess/warm up and he's not going to make the NHL roster, so what would be the point? A few extra days of practice where there are literally 20 other d-men competing for attention? Whereas here he can go back to his WHL team and be the focal point of their development.


I think the team saw what they wanted. They had him for rookie camp, they had him for the rookie tourney, they had him for a week or so of training camp. They know who he is and where he is in development. Same goes for Sutter, great game last night, keep developing in the WHL and we'll kick the tires on you next year.

 

[Sam Spade]

They only lost one player so the only battle was only to be Beagle's replacement. Boyd or Dowd, fingers crossed the homegrown guy deserves it more.

Because of contracts, waiver stuff, etc. only one spot to be fought over.

Next season there will be some actual legit spots open.

 

[kicksavedave]

They only lost one player so the only battle was only to be Beagle's replacement. Boyd or Dowd, fingers crossed the homegrown guy deserves it more.

Because of contracts, waiver stuff, etc. only one spot to be fought over.

Next season there will be some actual legit spots open.

I think Kuzy actually said it well in his interview, that even though we only lost Beags, other jobs are not guaranteed. If a youngster or new vet beats out a Bura or Stephenson or DSP, or any other other bottom 6 returnee, so be it. The mindset that only one job is open means less incentive to those other youngsters who don't expect to slot into 4th line C.

 

[Raikkonen]

I think Kuzy actually said it well in his interview, that even though we only lost Beags, other jobs are not guaranteed. If a youngster or new vet beats out a Bura or Stephenson or DSP, or any other other bottom 6 returnee, so be it. The mindset that only one job is open means less incentive to those other youngsters who don't expect to slot into 4th line C.

There will be internal battle to be 1st callup anyway. In case of injury someone is going to get a chance and they still have to impress in the AHL. Having a good band there makes it easier and more pleasant for them (playing down while battling for position in the depth chart) so everything should be OK.

Btw, do they have a coach in the AHL at all? I forgot who it is this season.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

Colorado wanted to increase cap flexibility? That's really the angle you're pursuing?

The Caps did, obviously.

Your original point was to support The Atlantic's assertion, and to use the trade as some sort of evidence. If their assertion was anywhere close to accurate, the Caps wouldn't have brought him back. Him being the least valuable defenseman in the league is nothing short of absurd.

I get it, you are a possession player guy. You don't like non-possession players and are going to back metrics that support that.

 

[Hivemind]

The Caps did, obviously.

Your original point was to support The Atlantic's assertion, and to use the trade as some sort of evidence. If their assertion was anywhere close to accurate, the Caps wouldn't have brought him back. Him being the least valuable defenseman in the league is nothing short of absurd.

I get it, you are a possession player guy. You don't like non-possession players and are going to back metrics that support that.

My original post cited BOTH the negative value trade AND the subsequent buyout. It wasn't a direct response to The Athletic, but to the conversation that had ensued in this thread regarding Orpik in general.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

what page of the post-game stat sheet is that on ?
bar graph?
pie chart ?

I like the cut of your jib....

 

[g00n]

My original post cited BOTH the negative value trade AND the subsequent buyout. It wasn't a direct response to The Athletic, but to the conversation that had ensued in this thread regarding Orpik in general.

Last year Colorado was the youngest team in the league. Its possible that they're just going with youth and only processed Orpik because they wanted to seal the deal for Grubauer and the Caps insisted on the package. They have 9 or 10 d-men under contract. Why ELSE would they take him, except as part of the negotiations for the younger G they wanted?

It's not necessarily a statement of Orpik's skills so much as his relative worth to Colorado's plan, and his role in the deal. Then he came back to the team that didn't want to lose him, and that he didn't want to leave, on a cheaper deal because of low cap space.

No need to read into it beyond that, imo.

 

[Sam Spade]

I think Kuzy actually said it well in his interview, that even though we only lost Beags, other jobs are not guaranteed. If a youngster or new vet beats out a Bura or Stephenson or DSP, or any other other bottom 6 returnee, so be it. The mindset that only one job is open means less incentive to those other youngsters who don't expect to slot into 4th line C.

Maybe later in the season but to start it will be exactly the same roster minus Beagle and whoever wins the Beagle spot.

Ovie Kuzy Wilson
Oshie Backs Vrana
Connelly Eller Burakovsky
Stephenson ? Smith-Pelly

Carlson Kempny
Orlov Niskanen
Orpik Djoos

Opening night lineup (assuming no injuries). Write it in pen.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Last year Colorado was the youngest team in the league. Its possible that they're just going with youth and only processed Orpik because they wanted to seal the deal for Grubauer and the Caps insisted on the package. They have 9 or 10 d-men under contract. Why ELSE would they take him, except as part of the negotiations for the younger G they wanted?

It's not necessarily a statement of Orpik's skills so much as his relative worth to Colorado's plan, and his role in the deal. Then he came back to the team that didn't want to lose him, and that he didn't want to leave, on a cheaper deal because of low cap space.

No need to read into it beyond that, imo.

Not unless you have a narrative to constantly support. Let’s not forget that piece (and it’s not like he can “read” me these days anyway, he told me I went on his Ignore list. The horrors of it all).

 

[searle]

Maybe later in the season but to start it will be exactly the same roster minus Beagle and whoever wins the Beagle spot.

Ovie Kuzy Wilson
Oshie Backs Vrana
Connelly Eller Burakovsky
Stephenson ? Smith-Pelly

Carlson Kempny
Orlov Niskanen
Orpik Djoos

Opening night lineup (assuming no injuries). Write it in pen.

Maybe not in permanent ink, Oshie plays on the right

 

[RandyHolt]

To the point of Orpik for negative assets - I think that as a part of the deal, Colorado was required to buy out Orpik. They sure seemed hasty in their decision to do so. It's not like they were cash crunched and needed the space ASAP. Nothing that happened was a coincidence. It was all planned, including his return to the team.

Another point, we kept overvaluing Grubby in the run up to being almost certain that George would take him. And I think some may still have overvalued him when downplaying Orpik WRT to the trade. Maybe Grubby is not as great as many thought. He had the starting job in the playoffs, and quickly lost it.

 

[Sam Spade]

Jets did exactly the same thing the Caps did, they wanted out of Mason's 4.1 contract so they gave the Habs Joel Armia, and two late draft picks to take Mason. They waived him a few hours later, 1.3 against the cap for the next two seasons for the buyout.

The only difference is no team has been dumb enough to sign Mason.

 

[Langway]

I know they play tomorrow night as well but no Bowey three games seems a bit strange. I know they want to give guys looks but he seems like a candidate to get a ton of TOI earlier on in camp to get into the flow of things, particularly since he may not play a ton once the season starts. Kind of makes you wonder. He may still play a lot if they mostly hold Carlson out of the pre-season. We'll see I guess.

 

[Hivemind]

Ovie playing a road game in the early pre-season. Nice treat for the Quebec fans.


Pilon on my darkhorse 4C watch.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

They only lost one player so the only battle was only to be Beagle's replacement. Boyd or Dowd, fingers crossed the homegrown guy deserves it more.

Because of contracts, waiver stuff, etc. only one spot to be fought over.

Next season there will be some actual legit spots open.

I think the 7th d spot which ultimately may become the 6th d spot at some point this season depending on how Orpik ages is absolutely up for competition.

 

[Sam Spade]

I think the 7th d spot which ultimately may become the 6th d spot at some point this season depending on how Orpik ages is absolutely up for competition.

To start the season? I hope you are correct and Hobbs or Seigenthaler or Johansen get some games. I doubt it though.

As the season goes along sure, if Djoos, Orpik or Bowey completely shit the bed.......

 

[Sam Spade]

Ovie playing a road game in the early pre-season. Nice treat for the Quebec fans.


Pilon on my darkhorse 4C watch.

Do you mean Pinho, cause if so I agree. He was really good in the rookie tournament and just finished college and was the captain his senior year. He might be ready for a shot.

Pilon is off to Hershy I would think, since he is just coming out of junior.

Both are right shot centers.

 

[Hivemind]

Do you mean Pinho, cause if so I agree. He was really good in the rookie tournament and just finished college and was the captain his senior year. He might be ready for a shot.

Pilon is off to Hershy I would think, since he is just coming out of junior.

Both are right shot centers.

I mean Pilon. I'm skeptical Pinho has what it takes to stick at the NHL level. Pilon has more upside, albeit not as polished.

Granted, if Pinho is able to hang in with the game when played at full NHL speed, 4C seems like it would fit his skillset reasonably well.

 

[John Price]

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