Rumor: Canucks Interested in Nico Sturm (C, Clarkson)

[Soups On]

If I had the ability to ‘like’ posts, I’d like the above post 1200 times. I agree wholeheartedly.

Okay. Will you like the below post or post a factual response? Great that Beagle takes a lot of faceoffs in the D zone, but is he even that necessary when others have shown better results and are MUCH cheaper?

Since you likely aren't going to get an answer: both Brendan Gaunce and Nic Dowd had much better numbers last year than Beagle has this year despite getting an even lower percentage of offensive zone starts. And that's despite the fact that Beagle wins more faceoffs - any effect the extra faceoff wins has on GF%/Corsi is already accounted for in those numbers. It's not clear he is an upgrade on either of those players, let alone an upgrade worth $12 million over four years.

 

[VasilyHoglander]

Faceoffs?

The Sedins got 80% ozone starts last year. How did that happen without Beagle?

Because they had to be sheltered as well...they were putting the workload on Sutter and Bo. Look what happened to Bo when Beagle went down this year.

 

[VasilyHoglander]

Simple-minded...lol. Amazing.

The point is, if we wanted a pure defensive specialist to bury in the D-zone and kill penalties, we could have found one for far cheaper and at less term than Beagle. There is no need to massively overpay bit players.

Guys like Riley Sheahan and Riley Nash are on cheap deals. Brad Richardson plays this role too. Heck, Gaunce could play this role too - and he has done it in the past, with a decent underlying profile to boot!

I get that Sutter is injured now, but how does a GM look at a roster that already has a Brandon Sutter on it (who literally does the same thing Beagle does, only a bit better) and conclude "I must give Jay Beagle big dollars and term"?

Because he brings more than just good defensive play. Having someone like him in the locker room helps the younger players in the room. I know he’s been huge in the locker room for Gaudette.

 

[Melvin]

Because they had to be sheltered as well...they were putting the workload on Sutter and Bo. Look what happened to Bo when Beagle went down this year.

You mean when he was a total beast?

The fact of the matter is that the canucks under green will always have a 1c getting 70-80 ozone starts and a 4c getting 15-25. That's just how green deploys the roster. It was true without Beagle and its true with Beagle. See pitselehs post about Dowd and Gaunce doing it last year. It's not something that's hard to find or something that's worth paying 12 million dollars for.

When tossing around declarative statements, it helps to look at other circumstances to put current circumstances into context.

 

[bossram]

Because he brings more than just good defensive play. Having someone like him in the locker room helps the younger players in the room. I know he’s been huge in the locker room for Gaudette.

You know that because you've been in the locker room right? Or you know Gaudette personally?

And even if Beagle truly brings these mythical leadership qualities, do you think we've paid an appropriate price for them? And is it more leadership than a guy like Brad Richardson could bring?

 

[Melvin]

It's clear he doesn't watch as much hockey as he claims to, and has a collection of notes that he refers to from years before, adding his own "projection" to them after looking at youtube and a box score.

I mean, he's just some guy who decided to call himself an expert and learned how to say a bunch of vague things thst sounded close enough to real scouting reports thst people for whatever reason started considering him an expert. He has no actual track record of being good at making projections or performing any better than random chance.

It reminds me of the Michael burry quote in the big short. Paraphrasing, but people are more prone to listen to people who sound like they know what they are talking about as opposed to people who actually have an established track record of being correct.

 

[Pip]

Because he brings more than just good defensive play. Having someone like him in the locker room helps the younger players in the room. I know he’s been huge in the locker room for Gaudette.

I’m sorry but you don’t know shit about what’s going on in the locker room. Nice try to defer to mentorship after your initial post got destroyed though.

 

[Cogburn]

If we had traded for Richardson (somehow, Arizona seems quite fond of him), then Benning would have "wasted assets" acquiring a player when we could have signed Beagle for cheap (even if he signed elsewhere for the same rate).

Then Benning would have spent the saved dollars on another free agent, which you people would find more reason to complain about. You want to be miserable, admit it.

What this has to do with Sturm I don't know, but I have zero trouble with our interest. The more NCAA propsect the better I will feel about internal development for role players and the like. US college and Swedish scouts are about the only two areas of trust, so if we have interest in Sturm I'm sure he's a fine prospect. Fingers crossed.

 

[Orr4Norris]

You guys realize because we have Beagle, Pettersson is able to have 70%+ O zone starts right? Look what happen to Bo when he went down. [Mod]

It’s too bad Sutter has spent most of the season injured as some centre depth could’ve given Green more options in game. For example, if the Canucks were behind in the game, they could’ve tried Brock/Bo/Pete together more often. I’ve liked that line when put together but it’s usually really short lived.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Sutter & Granlund will be gone. Sturm would add much needed depth to Utica and would likely be the first centre call up (ahead of Gaunce as Green prefers him as a winger). Worth a shot.

 

[Breakers]

Pretty decent year

The ECAC isnt anything special and is not a top 3 conference. Pretty much only saw Quinni games.
He put up some good stats out of conference which is good to see, as their strength of schedule is pretty dang easy at clarkson.

It is good to see they didnt live and die by the PP, and were a good 5v5 team.

 

[me2]

You mean when he was a total beast?

The fact of the matter is that the canucks under green will always have a 1c getting 70-80 ozone starts and a 4c getting 15-25. That's just how green deploys the roster. It was true without Beagle and its true with Beagle. See pitselehs post about Dowd and Gaunce doing it last year. It's not something that's hard to find or something that's worth paying 12 million dollars for.

When tossing around declarative statements, it helps to look at other circumstances to put current circumstances into context.

If the plan was a rebuilding, non-playoff year why overpay and throw in a long contract for someone that is just there to fix zone starts for a year. Gaunce could have done it. Sign some cannon fodder and send it out to get destroyed.

 

[me2]

Faceoffs?

The Sedins got 80% ozone starts last year. How did that happen without Beagle?

Impossible!!!!!! It can't be done without Beagle. It is against the laws of Pronger physics.

 

[VasilyHoglander]

You mean when he was a total beast?

The fact of the matter is that the canucks under green will always have a 1c getting 70-80 ozone starts and a 4c getting 15-25. That's just how green deploys the roster. It was true without Beagle and its true with Beagle. See pitselehs post about Dowd and Gaunce doing it last year. It's not something that's hard to find or something that's worth paying 12 million dollars for.

When tossing around declarative statements, it helps to look at other circumstances to put current circumstances into context.

Total beast? Bo himself said he’s glad Beagle is coming back so he doesn’t have to take as many D face offs. Beagle brings a lot more, experience and younger guys can learn from Beags. If you’ve played any level College or higher you would understand. I remember my freshmen year, senior players really helped me in a lot of ways especially ones that have been there for longer.

 

[me2]

Since you likely aren't going to get an answer: both Brendan Gaunce and Nic Dowd had much better numbers last year than Beagle has this year despite getting an even lower percentage of offensive zone starts. And that's despite the fact that Beagle wins more faceoffs - any effect the extra faceoff wins has on GF%/Corsi is already accounted for in those numbers. It's not clear he is an upgrade on either of those players, let alone an upgrade worth $12 million over four years.

But Beagle being so much better at it which is why we made the playoffs this year.

 

[VasilyHoglander]

You know that because you've been in the locker room right? Or you know Gaudette personally?

And even if Beagle truly brings these mythical leadership qualities, do you think we've paid an appropriate price for them? And is it more leadership than a guy like Brad Richardson could bring?

Brad Richardson had 3 goal all of last year. He would be a great guy to have in the locker room as well. No I don’t know Gaudette personally but I do know a lot. My profile pic is me and Sam Reinhart and another bud that plays D1. I, myself have played D1 college as well, so i do understand the value of having someone like Beags on the team.

 

[VasilyHoglander]

I’m sorry but you don’t know **** about what’s going on in the locker room. Nice try to defer to mentorship after your initial post got destroyed though.

? Don’t know what you mean. I do know Virtanen personally and other NHL players if that’s what you mean..I mean in my profile picture is me, my other bud and sam Reinhart. I personally know scheifele , Brazal just to name a few.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

When your argument has been refuted in logic so you think name dropping your NHL acquaintances will compensate for it.

 

[me2]

Total beast? Bo himself said he’s glad Beagle is coming back so he doesn’t have to take as many D face offs. Beagle brings a lot more, experience and younger guys can learn from Beags. If you’ve played any level College or higher you would understand. I remember my freshmen year, senior players really helped me in a lot of ways especially ones that have been there for longer.

Empty motherhood statements. Mentoring can be gotten from a lot of sources you don't crap on your team's cap to do it. I'm sure Bo does like not having to take so many Dzone faceoffs, but you don't need to overpay a 4th liner to achieve that effect.

 

[me2]

You know that because you've been in the locker room right? Or you know Gaudette personally?

And even if Beagle truly brings these mythical leadership qualities, do you think we've paid an appropriate price for them? And is it more leadership than a guy like Brad Richardson could bring?

The real question is "Is it more mentoring than Brandon 'The Mentor' Prust."

“Last year when I watched our team I thought we were a little bit in-between,” Benning says “We weren’t fast enough to get in on the forecheck and we didn’t spend enough time in the other team’s end.
“Sutter is fast and will get in on the forecheck. He will be the first guy getting in on the forecheck and will pressure the D and Prust is smart and he’s physical. He will get in and hit the guy and come up with loose pucks. We have skilled players, but we want our third and fourth lines to give us another dimension … I think we have tried to address that need. Prust will stick up for his teammates and stuff.”

Good times

 

[VasilyHoglander]

Empty motherhood statements. Mentoring can be gotten from a lot of sources you don't crap on your team's cap to do it. I'm sure Bo does like not having to take so many Dzone faceoffs, but you don't need to overpay a 4th liner to achieve that effect.

There were few other teams after his service and we wouldn’t of landed him if we didn’t overpay. Not saying I like the terms myself.

 

[VasilyHoglander]

When your argument has been refuted in logic so you think name dropping your NHL acquaintances will compensate for it.

Hey I assume you meant to quote me.
It’s also up to the coach which player he trust in the defensive zone. Sure Gaunce could’ve been a 4th line centre for us but if green doesn’t like/trust him. Bo ends up taking most of the face offs as well. A lot of time you see Beagle out there taking Gaudette’s face off out there.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Hey I assume you meant to quote me.
It’s also up to the coach which player he trust in the defensive zone. Sure Gaunce could’ve been a 4th line centre for us but if green doesn’t like/trust him. Bo ends up taking most of the face offs as well. A lot of time you see Beagle out there taking Gaudette’s face off out there.

Gaunce isn’t the only example you can use as a comparable. There are almost always a fair amount of decent 4th line centres that are signed for cheap in free agency. Anything over $1.5 mill is overpayment by virtue of what the rest of the market sees.

 

[timw33]

Gaunce isn’t the only example you can use as a comparable. There are almost always a fair amount of decent 4th line centres that are signed for cheap in free agency. Anything over $1.5 mill is overpayment by virtue of what the rest of the market sees.

Richardson + Brodziak

 

[me2]

There were few other teams after his service and we wouldn’t of landed him if we didn’t overpay. Not saying I like the terms myself.

Just because other teams' GMs are doing stupid things doesn't mean Jim gets a pass for doing it too. That goes double for a team that should be rebuilding and trying to avoid bad contracts that just get worse and worse as you run into the competitive phase. The Canucks are going to have $9m tied up in geriatric declining Eriksson and Beagle when they are trying to compete again, it was incredible obvious the whole time and yet they still went out and signed those daft contracts.