Canadian Division (Canada Cup) Part XI

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  1. PumpkinBomb Registered User

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    I know a lot of people have said a lot of stupid things in this thread(s), but just remember, you all know as much as the so called "best" hockey "Journalists"

    Sportsnet NHL Insider predictions for 2020-21 season

    Stanley Cup predictions for 2020-21 NHL season

    NHL predictions 2021: Final standings, awards, playoff projections, Stanley Cup pick

    https://hfboards.mandatory.com/attachments/screen-shot-2021-05-04-at-1-16-23-pm-png.429700/

    Elliotte Friedman included (his predictions are as stupid as the rest)

    All i can say is: Yikes

    Not surprisingly, the vegas sports books were the best predictors of standings:
    2021 NHL Season Betting Preview - Stanley Cup and Division Futures Odds
     
  2. leaffaninvancouver formerly in Victoria

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    It's 57% McDavid, that's an insane statistic. How many of Draistil's points are directly because of McDavid? That isn't a slight to either player, but the numbers don't lie. No other team relies on one player like the Oilers do.
     
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    To be fair, no other team has a player like McDavid to rely on.
     
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    How many of McDavids points are directly because of draisaitl
     
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  5. leaffaninvancouver formerly in Victoria

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    Very true, i'm not trying to run down McDavid. Just it's weird when one player accounts for getting points on 57% of all goals. I don't know that it makes the Oilers a good or bad team but it does make them very unbalanced. The other lines should be chipping in more.
     
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    Meh its not as much an indictment on the rest of the team as that number seems imo. Let’s look at the other top scorers in the league and their contributions

    Mack is 37%
    Manner is 37%
    Marchand is 42%
    Kane is 42%
    Stone is 34%
    Huberdeau is 33%

    McDavid has 91 points and the rest have 65 -59.Considering mcdavid has ~30% more points than these players its not that crazy that his contribution is 15-20% higher. Not only that but mcdavid stays out for the entire power play so of course he’s part of a lot of those goals

    If we look at 5on5 here is involvement % of each of these players and goals scored they weren’t involved in (note these may not be the teams primary 5on5 point producers):
    Playergoal involvement 5on55on5 goals scored without
    Mcdavid47%55
    Marner35%78
    Marchand36%62
    Stone28%88
    Mack30%80
    Kane37%57
    Hub26%82
    *oil playing 1-2 games less than these teams

    So yes mcdavid is a big part of his team and the oilers depth scoring isn’t as good as the best teams in the league but its in the range of teams like Boston.
     
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  7. leaffaninvancouver formerly in Victoria

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    I think you do also. Edmonton has the best player, no question. Toronto has much better depth though. Montreal seems pretty good at shutting down McDavid. Plus a second round matchup with Leafs and Canadians would be even better then a first round match-up.
     
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    Age at start of 2021-22 season if it were to start in Nov:

    Amirov 20
    Robertson 20
    Sandin 21
    Lilly 22
    Matthews 24
    Marner 24
    Nylander 25
    Mikheyev 26
    Rielly 27
    Kerfoot 27
    Hyman 29
    Campbell 29
    Tavares 30
    Brodie 31
    Muzzin 32

    These guys with the exception of Amirov should all be what makes up the 2021-22 Leafs roster. You don't blow up a f***ing team who's core players are an average of 25-26 and whose superstars are still 24, 24 and 25. While you have stud young D prospects coming up in Sandin, Lilly and potentially Dermott (if he doesn't go in the expansion draft) all under the age of 24.

    Would it suck to not go deep this year? No f***ing shit. Every contender would be disappointed to not win the cup. And yes, contrary to HF beliefs, the Leafs are legitimate contenders and I know most people will have their underwear in a knot over this fact but these same idiot people will come talking shit if the Leafs get knocked out early.

    Your hypothetical question about making big moves to shake up the team makes no sense. This team has played their hearts out this year and has been one of the most consistent Leafs teams that I've ever witnessed and their effort level and compete has been excellent. The special teams might need some tweaking and we could see some assistant coaches swapped but Keefe, Dubas and Co. have done an excellent job with this club and they won't be making any knee-jerk reactions even if they got swept in the first round.

    With Matthews/ Marner/ JT/ Willy/ Sandin/ Lilly/ Amirov/ Robertson, this team has maybe an 8-10 year window where they can be very competitive. Add on the fact that they have majority of their cap coming off the books in the next 4-5 years, we have the flexibility to bring home a Connor McDavid should he hit UFA.
     
  9. Mr Positive Cap Crunch Incoming

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    On any team, McDavid would have a huge portion of the offense. There is only one puck on the ice, so of course the team will funnel pucks towards him. What makes it more striking is that McDavid isn't just an elite finisher. He's the best in the league at carrying the puck, and zone entries. He seems better starting off in the D zone than in the offensive zone, because it gives him so much more ice to skate the puck with. That's not even a joke. There is no team that would spread around possession just for "balance". No, just get the puck to McDavid, stupid

    And we have seen this team with McDavid and Draisaitl going full steam, but the team has a horrible regular season, and can even draft 4th overall. Hockey isn't not a sport where one or two players can give you success. The team outside these two is very, very good now. The stats don't show it because so much of the team's focus is rightly put onto McDavid and Draisaitl. But, like a lot of teams that perform surprisingly well when a top star has to miss a few games, the Oilers would also adjust to McDavid missing time. We would not be as good, that's guaranteed, and it wouldn't be a cup threat, but they would be a feisty squad that would surprise a lot of people
     
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  10. Canadiens Ghost Mr. Objectivity

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    Most here were predicting Habs and Sens to be bottom two...
     
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    I think everyone had Habs top 2-4. Especially after off season adds.
     
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    Huh? Most were predicting the Habs to be a bubble playoff team?
     
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  13. leaffaninvancouver formerly in Victoria

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    The Senators maybe, but Montreal wasn't pegged to finish low.
     
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    It’s hard to be balanced when you have a player that has 20 more points than anyone else and almost 30 more points than anyone not on his team after only 50 games. What can you put on another line to balance that out? I’d say a player that much ahead of everyone else is just as weird as being in on 57% of the goals his team scores.
     
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    You seem to have no problems making up wild hypotheticals about the team losing in the playoffs because they all got abducted by aliens, but the idea of them losing just because somehow escapes you.
     
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    The Caps are kind of the exception IMO. Going like 10 years with nothing is also not something I can see happening in Toronto either.
     
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  18. loupie Voted Jets Forum Best Poster

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    Hes been on a pace like this multiple times in his career derp?
     
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    Hey, that's fair. Leafs are not my team, so it's easy for me to question this core if it fails to get it done again when it matters. If they ride it out and it works, that will prove to be the right move. For me, another playoffs loss after the year they just had will come as a huge shock.
     
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    Fair enough. Hope for their sake they can pull it together when it matters. Leafs are the best shot for Canada to win a cup.
     
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    Let me put another way. McDavid has been in the league six years he has won two art Ross trophy’s and multiple Lindsay’s. He has been far and away the most consistent elite player since 2016. In that time the oilers counting this year have made the playoffs 2 times plus a screw job in 2020 while two team members have torn up the points race. So you see if it wasn’t a team effort as evidenced by the fact that both MCDavid and Drai have won the triple crown in the last 5 years but in only one have the team made the playoffs, I would tend to agree.

    The oilers though have a plus 29 goal differential a top 2 power play and a top 15 pk. They are once again second in their division as they were last year. They have 2 defenseman that are in the top 10 for points. They are the only team in the league to sweep a full series of 9 games against one team. If they were currently in their normal division they would be only second to Vegas. They are a good TEAM. It’s not all McDavid it’s a total team buy in.
     
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    I will wait until the playoffs to judge their performance. Even if they were swept in the first round, blowing it up would be about the stupidest possible thing to do though.
     
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    Were you around when Mario did it? It’s not a horrible thing.
     
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    Lol, yeah I'm shocked Poulin guessed the top 4 correctly.

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    :dunno: ok. If they do get swept and come back without fixing shit it will be very curious to see how the city and media reacts.
     

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