Cale Fleury or Timothy Liljegren

[LeafsNation75]

Here is all of those 78 votes who did not vote in the Leafs fan option and among them, I see maybe 4 or 5 who are Leafs fans.

• SpItFiReZ
• Wats
• danyhabsfan
• DriveFor9th
• tony d
• TheGoldenJet
• nashpreds
• Rude Dog
• RedWingzz
• DropIt
• HockeyGuruPitka
• Crabapple
• LEAFANFORLIFE23
• amnesiac
• The Nuge
• Kylie Sven Opossum
• Gavy
• GTA
• Derp Kassian
• SJSharks39
• BannedFromCDC
• BM14
• WJZ3
• EscapeGoat
• BananaSquad
• Habstastic
• dukeofjive
• Pavel Buchnevich
• canuckslover10
• AveryStar4Eva
• 6ix
• lomiller1
• The Great Weise
• Saint Blue
• garyturner3
• Fred Sheeran
• Learntoread
• martinez
• Vachon23
• snipes
• PhillyFaninMTL
• leafsmoney
• thomaspalmer
• Willy89
• Brando
• Kappy
• nobody
• bh53
• Cheeks Clapinski
• Ligue
• Isaac Nootin
• tricky
• sufferer
• ccman68
• Gnarpsviljan
• ManitobaKid
• Sick Nuzuki
• Justshootmore
• of Wonderland
• Teezyh
• MichalRozsival
• Jabs102501
• 780il
• Broad Street Buddies
• Beauterham
• stopclickbait
• Llamamoto49
• canadiantirefire
• LuckyBoeser
• The tsar
• wetcoast
• WillyNy
• Dr Salt
• 4chanhoc
• Blueboy
• AB13
• Stewie Griffin
• Koira666

 

[Dr Salt]

Its next level. This is just round 2 of an earlier debate where Habs fans thought Josh Brook > Liljegren, Sandin, etc.

Hell, there was a Hab fan that thought Josh Brook was the 5th best defensive prospect in hockey above Dobson, Hughes, Brannstrom, Bouchard, etc.

Also, as per @Mrb1p "Josh Brook is the best defensive prospect outside the NHL, and if he were to play for the Habs this year would be better than PK Subban" - Sept 2019

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Evan Bouchard vs Josh Brook

Never seen anything like it. This is a perpetual cycle though as a Leaf fan where fans continually compare their 2nd tier flavour of the month to one of our top flight players.

P.S. for those who don't know, Brook is a borderline ECHL player. Can hardly play regular minutes as a bottom pair AHLer after he's been experimented with Alzner. Could not believe how poor his play was in a couple games I caught.

Hold one tried comparing Brook to...... Bouchard and 44 thought he's better......... I have lost faith in humanity

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Here is all of those 78 votes who did not vote in the Leafs fan option and among them, I see maybe 4 or 5 who are Leafs fans.

Leaf fan for Life, Gavy, GTA, BM14, Willy89, Kappy, Isaac Nootin,Saint Blue, Willny, Blueboy, garyturner3, Leafs money are just 12 that I recognize. There’s probably half a dozen more.
Anyways as I said both are reasonable picks and it should be close.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Leaf fan for Life, Gavy, GTA, BM14, Willy89, Kappy, Isaac Nootin,Saint Blue, Willny, Blueboy, garyturner3, Leafs money are just 12 that I recognize. There’s probably half a dozen more.

Assuming the names you mentioned were the only Leafs fans who did not vote in the Leafs fan option, it means that Liljegren still got more votes in from netural fans than Fleury did.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Assuming the names you mentioned were the only Leafs fans who did not vote in the Leafs fan option, it means that Liljegren still got more votes in from netural fans than Fleury did.

Sure but it’s closer if you take out 18 votes or so. Either choice is reasonable. You also have to keep in mind that the poll was in July of last year. Who knows how it goes now.

 

[sansabri]

So awesome that we nabbed Fleury in the 3rd round.

 

[BlueBaron]

Leafs are well known homers, more than the habs.

I would rank the homers this way:

1. Toronto
2. Montreal
3. Edmonton
4. Vancouver
5. Philly

You might be biased. I always laugh when people try to imply Leaf fans are different than all other fans. We are just so damn special

 

[ottawa]

There are 35 neutral Lilly votes.

This list of the 13 Fleury votes doesn't look all the neutral either. It's a joke that people even do this, I just don't get it.

• Le Tricolore
• Trash Man
• Kobe Armstrong
• sharks9
• ottawa
• SantaClaus
• habsterr
• TopTenPlayz
• Bouboumaster
• PuckTheNet
• A Loyal Dog
• Gravity
• Bonucci

You're reading the lists backwards, that's why...there are 80 neutral votes for Liljegren.

The 13 votes you listed are under "Habs fans voting Fleury"

Are you blind?

 

[Bedards Dad]

You're reading the lists backwards, that's why...there are 80 neutral votes for Liljegren.

The 13 votes you listed are under "Habs fans voting Fleury"

Are you blind?

Ya read that wrong. Normally its fans of team up top then neutral on bottom. The point still remains, habs fans also voted in the neutral fan section. Its stupid no matter who does it.

And lets be honest, there are very few actual neutral fans. There are probably 5 or 6 teams Im truely neutral about.

 

[grentthealien]

Legit neutral voter here. I took Liljegren because I see more offensive upside with him if he pans out.

 

[DCarriere]

Liljegren and not particularly close.

Thanks "GTA", very cool.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Fleury is in the NHL, but his performance is so uninspiring I'd easily take Liljegren's season over his. Liljegren will eventually stick in the NHL and should be better

 

[sansabri]

Fleury is in the NHL, but his performance is so uninspiring I'd easily take Liljegren's season over his. Liljegren will eventually stick in the NHL and should be better

you could just say you haven't seen him play

 

[LeafsNation75]

you could just say you haven't seen him play

Yet his 1 goal and 1 total point in 41 games this season are so fantastic.

 

[Kamiccolo]

I think Liljegren is going to be a solid 2nd pairing NHL D. He's really evolved his game since being drafted. He is a tank physically now. Strong down low and good at moving the puck. He won't be running a PP in TO.

So with that said, I see the same for Fleury (2nd pairing D). Liljegren is just going to start getting his feet wet now. He only has 1 game, so limited sample size, but he was a strong positive per possession advanced stats.

IMO tho, Fleury reminds me more of Dermott than Liljegren.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

you could just say you haven't seen him play

I have, I just may not have your special eye that can apparently see all this greatness in him

 

[sansabri]

Yet his 1 goal and 1 total point in 41 games this season are so fantastic.

So stat watching.

I have, I just may not have your special eye that can apparently see all this greatness in him

So the media likes him enough to come up with a nickname for him, but you're like 'i just don't see it'

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

So stat watching.



So the media likes him enough to come up with a nickname for him, but you're like 'i just don't see it'

I mean, I don't evaluate players based on nicknames the media gives out

 

[LeafsNation75]

So stat watching.

Besides his 1 goal what else about his game has been impressive?

Once Liljegren is re-called and assuming Fleury doesn't get any more goals or assists, there is a good chance that Liljegren might pass his point total in less games.

 

[sansabri]

I mean, I don't evaluate players based on nicknames the media gives out

yeah, you evaluate them based on your gut feeling that Liljegren will simply carve out a better NHL career

 

[sansabri]

Besides his 1 goal what else about his game has been impressive?

Once Liljegren is re-called and assuming Fleury doesn't get any more goals or assists, there is a good chance that Liljegren might pass his point total in less games.

his defense and physicality

there's also a good chance that Lil' goes -82 (prorated of course)

 

[GTA]

Thanks "GTA", very cool.

I've been a Habs fan for 30 years including the 25 I've been in Toronto - but sure, I must be a Leafs fan because of my name.

I just can't stand homers and actually watch the games to form my opinions.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Neither one has shown much yet. Probably need to revisit in a year.

Incorrect. Liljegren is leading his draft year in AHL scoring for defencemen. That’s a lot of 2017 draft prospects he’s beating, including multiple other first round picks. He is the easy choice in this poll.

Also Liljegren is outscoring the one year older Juolevi this year again, but that’s to be expected at this stage.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Incorrect. Liljegren is leading his draft year in AHL scoring for defencemen. That’s a lot of 2017 draft prospects he’s beating, including multiple other first round picks. He is the easy choice in this poll.

Also Liljegren is outscoring the one year older Juolevi this year again, but that’s to be expected at this stage.

Nope. Most of his draft year is in the NHL already. The option for too close to call should be there which is why I didn’t vote.
I think both players project as bottom pairing guys with some upside. I’m higher on Sandin than Liljigren because of their skating and over all ability.

 

[ottawa]

Fleury is in the NHL, but his performance is so uninspiring I'd easily take Liljegren's season over his. Liljegren will eventually stick in the NHL and should be better

I think Liljegren is in the AHL because he's an AHLer. Maybe he'll crack the NHL's bottom 5 defense next year if he has a good camp next year.

I'll take the uninspiring NHLer for now.