Burke out - Good or Bad?
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Ron Wilson thanks to Burke's contract extension just before firing him, is also still an employee of MLSE and being paid to tow the company line.
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Not sure what you say when you mess up as bad as Wilson's team did.
That cost him his career most likely.
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Ron Wilson is also still on contract. Those two won't talk until their pay cheques stop coming in from MLSE and even then they won't say much.
If they attack the owners, even if they have good reason, it'll make every owner think 10 times before hiring either of them.
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Wilson has no reason to spew venom at anyone. Coaches get fired all the time. I don't see anything special about his firing.
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exactly as to why he was named senior advisor, what i would like to see is some rich person or group create a primetime 1 hour show interviewing brian burke and paying him the remainder of his salary to just "unleash" everything he has to say about MLSE
hmm now what tv stations are not owned by bell or rogers? And I'm not opposed to that, just as I wasn't opposed to that being the Burke mandate (even if I do think he pissed away one, possibly two seasons trying to jump start it, though with the transactions he made I think we'd have roughly the same prospect pool/roster situation if we'd not done the Kessel trade, which was the only long-term asset costly deal). My issue is entirely with the way the ownership group handled this situation. That's what's worrisome to me.
It is good.
His mistakes are too many to count.We are still missing 3 major pieces.A number one center,a number one dman(Phaneuff isn't the guy) and solid goaltending.His record screamed fire me and he shouldn't have gotten the attention he did considering the terrible job he did.Four years and we are worse..bottom line.
His mistakes are too many to count.We are still missing 3 major pieces.A number one center,a number one dman(Phaneuff isn't the guy) and solid goaltending.His record screamed fire me and he shouldn't have gotten the attention he did considering the terrible job he did.Four years and we are worse..bottom line.
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I agree 100% with this! The firing I felt had to be done, lets face it Burke has had four very stinkworthy years here and it was time the team went in a different direction. The timing was lousy, I mean really the team is just about to start training camp/regular season and now they have to deal with their GM (who has been very loyal to his guys) being canned and you just know that the media will hound the players relentlessly about the firing, it will just add more fuel to the chatoic fire and serve as an extra distraction.
To be fair a #1 centre is so hard to acquire, no team is just going to trade their #1 stud, very few of them make it to free agency which leaves the best and only way to acquire one is by draft and even then its a crap shoot. Phaneuf IS a top pairing defencmen, and on most teams (except Boston) he'd be a top pairing guy on the roster, sure he's not a Chara or Pronger but he's still a darn good player.
Your right about the goaltending, he has never been able to get the right guy and that is all on Burkes head.
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I didn't answer the question because there's no way to know. Depending on how offended certain members of the boards got, maybe anything short of being a contender wouldn't have saved his job. The Leafs have been a few wins away from 8th spot a few times over the last 4 seasons. I don't believe squeaking in at 8th spot would have been enough for the board to change their mind.
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Bruins fan, i come in peace.
Burke biggest mistake was to try to shortcut the process of rebuilding. In that regard, the Kessel trade is something that hurt, now, because the team wasn't able to draft young and controllable players. That said, it's easy to second guess Burke when you look at the final result: Boston got Seguin, Hamilton and knight but... we all have to remember that prospects are suspects until they prove you wrong. More then that, there was absolutely no way to determine what would have been Toronto's pick at the time of the trade. The Leafs got a young goal scorer for prospects. It's my understanding that a TON of GM would do that kind of trade if they have the opportunity to do so. Maybe Burke though that his team was better then they actually were.
Burke biggest mistake was to try to shortcut the process of rebuilding. In that regard, the Kessel trade is something that hurt, now, because the team wasn't able to draft young and controllable players. That said, it's easy to second guess Burke when you look at the final result: Boston got Seguin, Hamilton and knight but... we all have to remember that prospects are suspects until they prove you wrong. More then that, there was absolutely no way to determine what would have been Toronto's pick at the time of the trade. The Leafs got a young goal scorer for prospects. It's my understanding that a TON of GM would do that kind of trade if they have the opportunity to do so. Maybe Burke though that his team was better then they actually were.
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I won't vote, because I don't think it's a yes/no question.
I was against hiring BB since the first rumor of him coming to Toronto. I followed the Canucks a bit back when he was their GM and was never much of a fan of the style of defensemen or centers he prefered in his teams and my views on that has not changed. However, not all of his moves in Toronto are bad. On average, I think he has done a decent job, at least when it comes to acquiring a number of good young players. However, a lot of them are complementary players and not players you build a core around.. But Reilly shows real promise. I would have preferred for BB to stay until there was a clear cut equal or better alternative out there to replace him. That said, Nonis is a pretty competent GM, he'll do a decent job.
I was against hiring BB since the first rumor of him coming to Toronto. I followed the Canucks a bit back when he was their GM and was never much of a fan of the style of defensemen or centers he prefered in his teams and my views on that has not changed. However, not all of his moves in Toronto are bad. On average, I think he has done a decent job, at least when it comes to acquiring a number of good young players. However, a lot of them are complementary players and not players you build a core around.. But Reilly shows real promise. I would have preferred for BB to stay until there was a clear cut equal or better alternative out there to replace him. That said, Nonis is a pretty competent GM, he'll do a decent job.
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I wouldn't call Nonis the worst GM, he got us Cory Schneider, Alex Edler, Janick Hansen, Mason Raymond and Roberto Luongo!If they replace him with Nonis ...
He is still bad at drafting and signing players though.
What about Florida after 10 years of failing of making the playoffs and Dale Tallon?
Replace "look" by "year" in the following clip...
And then you'll be singing...
Your song for me:
You're reminding me of a manager in Public Service who'll have his HR guys draft requirements so that the position is filled by the person he has in mind and no one else...
You're funny.
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