Proposal: Brayden Point to Rangers for the 2nd Overall Pick

[DistantThunderRep]

Point, Cernak, Foote and one of Raddysh/Katchouk/Lipanov? and make that '19 2d into a first now?
that NYR might consider
Lightning shouldn't, and NYR might still decline

Point has had a great year, just like Namestnikov last season while with TBL skating w Kuch and Stamkos.
Playing with an emerging superstar helps a player produce at his best.
No one knows what Point will be over time, especially once away from Kuch.

worth asking the question, for a couple obvious reasons
- TBL can stay great if they keep rolling in ELC top talent
- as one of sports' greatest GMs used to say "better to trade a guy a year too soon, than a year too late"
Point's value may never be higher -
and TBL are good making the right call - Conacher for Bishop 8^)

To be this disassociated from reason and logic must be the definition of living in bliss.

 

[One Winged Angel]

You know what's a legitimate concern. Your prospect who has never played in the NHL ever being close to PPG. Taking the unproven commodity, over the proven commodity who is well within your rebuild age just sounds like the absolute definition of HF Boards. All about the shiny new toy, and the one that is only a few years old is not good enough.

I’m not saying Kakko is going to be a better player than Point. You obviously didn’t read anything I said if that’s what you’ve gathered from that post.

 

[haveandare]

But we do know that Point is a 90+ player.

We know he's been a 90+ point player this year while playing with a 120+ point player who scored 100 last year when Point put up 66.

We don't really know he'd be a 90 point player on a team like NYR where there's not much to work with yet outside of the top line.

 

[Hockey Stick]

You're going to get some quick yes' and some quick no's from both fanbases

 

[SensFactor]

Point is better than Kakko

 

[LV Knight Life]

Can't see Tampa biting at all. They'll move other pieces - if needed - to keep Point.

 

[redwings25]

I would take point on detriot over any draft pick. 90 pt 2 way centers are rare. I would take point over kuch or stamkos in the playoffs, dude battles.

 

[One Winged Angel]

We don't. At worst, Point is a ppg two-way player. In TB, Cooper has the luxury of limiting his minutes, which means no PK time. But before that happened, Point was our best PK forward. A Selke or two is not out of the question for this guy.

TB is in no way interested in trading Point. We would move a third of the roster before we even considered it.

As they shouldn’t be interested in trading him. I know Point is a good player and a good defensive player at that. I’ve seen enough to know that much, at the least.

Let’s just throw a hypothetical out there. Let’s just say Point is just that outside of Tampa, a 70 point two way center. Why should the Rangers trade a player that’s a few years younger and a few years further away from getting a big contract when they’re rebuilding? Of course Point is the better player, but they lose 3 years of ELC control when they’re not expected to compete. There’s no guarantee they get Panarin and/or Karlsson and accelerate things. They don’t need to accelerate the rebuild. They’ll have incredible young depth after this draft (hopefully TBL wins it all and Dallas makes it to the WCF) and they’ll compete for a while. Speeding it up by adding Point at the cost of assets doesn’t make a ton of sense for the Rangers, especially when Kakko/Hughes can be a 70+ point player.

It’s not about valuing potential over proven product, it’s about the state of the team and their window in relation to the players in question. It just isn’t a fit right now for the Rangers. Has nothing to do with shiny new toys as others seem to think.

 

[Mikeaveli]

Point is not going anywhere. At least the value is reasonable this time.

 

[Stubu]

Lol this is so stupid.

But note, he didn't say potential or upside, he said "potential upside". Kakko's and Hughes' upside is much more potential than Point's; one might even say it's not upside at all any more but proven elite level.

 

[slg1963]

No thanks

 

[McSuper]

Nah, Kakko or Hughes have much more of a potential upside than Point. Also, Point plays with Kucherov, so his numbers are a tad inflated. Still an excellent player, but have to look at all the facts around him.

Oh finally someone else is getting the Draisaitl treatment !!! Yet no one mention these same player have to face the top D of other teams . So maybe their number are lower because you know those top defensemen are tough to play against night in night out .

 

[McSuper]

We know he's been a 90+ point player this year while playing with a 120+ point player who scored 100 last year when Point put up 66.

We don't really know he'd be a 90 point player on a team like NYR where there's not much to work with yet outside of the top line.

Can we use this on all players . NYR want to trade Kreider for a high pick . He is a mid 50 point player . Edmonton offers a 2nd for him as we don't know if he will be as good playing with RNH . He may only get 35 or 40 points . Sounds ridiculous doesn't it ?

 

[SML2]

Hfboards. Where the grass is always greener on the other side, but grass seed is even better than green grass.

People in the real world would not propose this from either team.

 

[Sens]

Do this trade and then sign Karlsson

Ridiculous

 

[5cotland]

Point is better than Kakko

Lol comparing a young established NHL'r to a young teenager who hasn't even been drafted yet. Great logic .

Kakko is slated to be an Elite / Generational talent whereas Point has over achieved based on his predicted ceiling.

I would very happily take my chances on the potential top line elite forward in Kakko.

 

[mm11]

good thread. Geez I would think the blueshirts do this in a heart beat. Young legit #1 center who already went through his growing pains. Money is stuff the rangers wipe their a@@@@s with.

 

[5cotland]

Point is not going anywhere. At least the value is reasonable this time.

The value is nowhere near reasonable from an NYR side.

 

[5cotland]

good thread. Geez I would think the blueshirts do this in a heart beat. Young legit #1 center who already went through his growing pains. Money is stuff the rangers wipe their a@@@@s with.

We would laugh and hang up the phone

 

[Tkachuky]

The Rangers don’t do this. They’re a rebuilding team. Point is still very young, but the Rangers need young elite ELC talent like Kakko more.

Elite talent that is not 100% going to turn into elite talent into the NHL.

 

[mm11]

We would laugh and hang up the phone

good debate but sometimes a bird in the hand is better than 2 in a bush.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Rangers hang up IMMEDIATELY.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

But we do know that Point is a 90+ player.

With kucherov...will he with Buchnevich and some other 45 point scorer?

 

[CupsOverCash]

Both teams decline with good reason.

 

[DarthProbert]

I like this. It helps both teams, it proactively addresses needs for both teams, works all around. But this is hfboards, and you don't trade good players! Only bad contracts and busts. Every single player in the NHL is either untradeable or has negative value.