Value of: Braun to TOR

[lifelonghockeyfan]

I have been told by many of my fellow Leafs fans that Braun is not a player you move a 1st for....

We've read that San Jose fans don't think he is worth a first either. This could another situation where folks are thinking that ANY RHD is better any of the Leafs 3rd pairing RHD and should acquired at any cost.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Braun would IMMEDIATELY become your best Defensive Defenseman, AND can be counted on for 25-30 points. Think about it.

Really? Last season the Sharks allowed 4 less goals than Leafs during the regular season. Seems kinda fantasy that the Sharks have all these great Dmen and Leafs lousy ones who can't play defence.

 

[Gecklund]

Honestly Kadri's name should be nowhere near this thread, without even getting into the talent disparity here he is one of the Leafs only below market value contracts, they simply cannot afford to part with that. I guess I'm just glad we found a floor on dmen Nylander can be demanded for.

If you read the thread you would see that no one is saying the Leafs should trade Kadri for Braun. It's just that for this season, the Sharks would need a low end 2C, high end 3C which Kadri is (a bit better) and would be the fit. If we are talking about after this season then that's a whole different thing.

 

[Fenrirson]

At this point in the cap era, a team like the leafs can't afford to trade the influx of young talent that 1st round picks provide. No team can.

Not that Braun is worth one. But I'd do 2 2nds, and I bet SJ would too

 

[Mattb124]

I'm laughing at your talent assessment. Braun isn't in the top 50

Based on....?

 

[Gecklund]

At this point in the cap era, a team like the leafs can't afford to trade the influx of young talent that 1st round picks provide. No team can.

Not that Braun is worth one. But I'd do 2 2nds, and I bet SJ would too

Both Murray and Stuart got SJ 2 2nds in this cap era. Braun is much better than both of them at everything except maybe hitting. So no they would not accept two 2nds.

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

There is nothing we can offer you guys that will satisfy you without giving up too key-a-piece for our roster as well.

Best swap would be any of our #6/7 D, and either a 2nd Rounder or a prospect outside of our top 5. I already know its a no deal from the Sharks.

 

[Sharksfan83]

Sharks have a need for a 3C. I'm assuming if Braun goes then we'd probably want something of that nature in return. I think he'd be a good add to Toronto.

 

[Sharksfan83]

There is nothing we can offer you guys that will satisfy you without giving up too key-a-piece for our roster as well.

Best swap would be any of our #6/7 D, and either a 2nd Rounder or a prospect outside of our top 5. I already know its a no deal from the Sharks.

I don't think we'd want to downgrade Braun for a 2nd rounder. We can keep him this year no troubles. He will relish being on that 3rd pairing.

 

[Liferleafer]

Sharks have a need for a 3C. I'm assuming if Braun goes then we'd probably want something of that nature in return. I think he'd be a good add to Toronto.

He would be a good add, but we don't have the 3C piece you needm

 

[Notsince67]

Based on....?

I am not going to go through all the reasons why He isn't a top 50 when you clearly think he would be the best defenseman on the leafs. It would go over your head

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

I don't think we'd want to downgrade Braun for a 2nd rounder. We can keep him this year no troubles. He will relish being on that 3rd pairing.

I think if we added in a way to screw Melnyk again somehow you guys would give us him for a discount.

 

[Gecklund]

I am not going to go through all the reasons why He isn't a top 50 when you clearly think he would be the best defenseman on the leafs. It would go over your head

So in other words “I have no evidence to back this up.”

 

[SjMilhouse]

Leaf fans in here acting like that 1st round pick will be top 10....Assuming your team will be as good as your entire fan base thinks, I don't see how Braun isnt worth a late (#24-30) 1st...He's a fairly affordable top 4 D regardless of the fact your fan base thinks he's a #5/6....he plays against the toughest comp every single night. Is he as good as he has been? No, but he's still easily a top 3/4 defensive defenseman for under $4m with one extra year left on his deal.

I'd rather just keep him than trade him to the leafs anyways. As soon as he got traded there would be threads on the main boards "Can anyone beat a leafs team this deep?"

 

[Notsince67]

So in other words “I have no evidence to back this up.”

Seriously? CF% dead last on a possession minded defense team 45.7%. Below average controlled exits despite his high usage in the dzone. He might be a better version of Ron Hainsey but not much better despite the age difference.

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

Leaf fans in here acting like that 1st round pick will be top 10....Assuming your team will be as good as your entire fan base thinks, I don't see how Braun isnt worth a late (#24-30) 1st...He's a fairly affordable top 4 D regardless of the fact your fan base thinks he's a #5/6....he plays against the toughest comp every single night. Is he as good as he has been? No, but he's still easily a top 3/4 defensive defenseman for under $4m with one extra year left on his deal.

I'd rather just keep him than trade him to the leafs anyways. As soon as he got traded there would be threads on the main boards "Can anyone beat a leafs team this deep?"

My fear is that he is not the shutdown defenseman that is needed to stabilize Rielly or Gardiner and its tough to even justify trading a 2nd plus where there isn't a clear fit. Braun is a very competitent D-man but a 1st is a lot. would probably be multiple pieces not 1 big piece going back.
Why'd you have to say the pick would be 24th-30th? Couldn't be 31st? its been 52 years toss us a bone cmon

 

[Liferleafer]

My fear is that he is not the shutdown defenseman that is needed to stabalize Rielly or Gardiner and its tough to even justify trading a 2nd plus where there isn't a clear fit.
Why'd you have to say the pick would be 24th-30th? Couldn't be 31st? its been 52 years toss us a bone cmon

Quick question....why not?

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

Quick question....why not?

To pay a 1st and get a 5/6 Dman would be tragic. Dude can't be worse than Zaitsev or Polak last year or Hainsey at the end of last year though. Just a lot of risk when we have guys coming up.

 

[Liferleafer]

To pay a 1st and get a 5/6 Dman would be tragic. Dude can't be worse than Zaitsev or Polak last year or Hainsey at the end of last year though. Just a lot of risk when we have guys coming up.

Meh, i guess i am the only Leafs fan that isn't confident in our D as is. I think we need on solid D 1st guy...hopefully to play with Rielly....drop Hainsey down to shelter Gardiner's daily gaffs...then put Zaitsev and Dermott together.

 

[Slyfox]

Hopefully we are done trading for high draft picks for 4th line players and bottom pairing guys. We have plenty of dmen right now who can push for a spot in our lineup. Lets see what we have before wasting draft picks.

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

Meh, i guess i am the only Leafs fan that isn't confident in our D as is. I think we need on solid D 1st guy...hopefully to play with Rielly....drop Hainsey down to shelter Gardiner's daily gaffs...then put Zaitsev and Dermott together.

Dermott needs some time with Rielly at ES this year. He played RD for most of junior so I don't get the big issue for him. I'm more comfortable with that pairing and then evaluating where our D corps is at after that is tested.

 

[Liferleafer]

Dermott needs some time with Rielly at ES this year. He played RD for most of junior so I don't get the big issue for him. I'm more comfortable with that pairing and then evaluating where our D corps is at after that is tested.

Risky move, but if Dubas doesn't acquire anyone...I'd prefer it. start the season with
Rielly/Dermott
Hainsey/Gardiner
Zaitsev/Carrick/Holl/??

If Z picks it up this season...then swap he and Hainsey.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Really? Last season the Sharks allowed 4 less goals than Leafs during the regular season. Seems kinda fantasy that the Sharks have all these great Dmen and Leafs lousy ones who can't play defence.

That's some real shallow thinking. Just because it's only four goals less doesn't mean that your team doesn't have room to improve defensively. And there's a big reason why the Sharks allowed only four less goals especially when the Leafs actually allowed less 5-on-5 and 3-on-3 than the Sharks. And it's because they allowed a lot more on their PK and in 5-on-6 against. Both things that Justin Braun would be a better option than anyone on the Leafs' right side currently. And honestly with the moves made and certain people like Thornton getting healthy, I have more confidence in the Sharks closing the gap in goals allowed 5-on-5 than I do the Leafs even maintaining that number or closing the gap in other ways to keep it as close as it was. You came within four goals allowed on a down year defensively for the Sharks and an up year for the Leafs. The previous two years saw a GA gap between the two teams of 33 and 34 goals respectively.

 

[Nolan11]

How about Braun for Marleau with 2 million retained. Saves you a bit of cap and gets you the RHD upgrade you want.

 

[2022 Stanley Cup]

Risky move, but if Dubas doesn't acquire anyone...I'd prefer it. start the season with
Rielly/Dermott
Hainsey/Gardiner
Zaitsev/Carrick/Holl/??

If Z picks it up this season...then swap he and Hainsey.

I think you're 100% right But it will start Borgman/Zaitsev bottom pairing cause Babs loves his big boys