Brandon Manning suspended 5 AHL games for use of a racial slur toward an opponent

[MXD]

Funny how these "racism" offenses only happen in hockey. Similar offenses are unheard of in the NBA, NFL, and CFL.

Why is that you ask? In the NBA, NFL, and CFL, the vast majority of the players are African American. In football and basketball, Black guys set the tone. As a result, little or no anti-Black bias by White players.

If in the event that some Black football player shouted a racially charged word at a White player, the league would do nothing, the media would stay silent and the online peanut gallery would be silent as well. More likely than not, the White player involved would not complain in the first place.

You see, the sin of "racism" only works one way. That being only White people can be guilty of it. At least in the eyes of the media, and corporations such as sports leagues.

I don't care about other sports. Furthermore, these are politics talks, not to mention totally unrelated to the topic at hand.

 

[EurlichBachman]

How do you accidentally say something racist ? Is this going to be the hockey version of PewDiePie where instead of acknowledging he said something stupid people bend over backwards defending it as a “heated gamer moment”

You've never said something stupid and wish you hadn't? Wish we were all as perfect as you. He ****ed up. He apologized for it and the other guy forgave him. He is forfeiting about $165k and will always be known for this above everything else he has ever accomplished (except maybe injuring McDavid). I think that's fair punishment. If you don't agree that's fine. I'm going to move on though, I actually didn't think my view on it would be THIS controversial. Have a good one.

 

[Tommy Hawk]

What a moron. This dude is almost 30. I mean I get everyone makes mistakes but I still don’t get how people make this one. “Oops I accidentally said something racist” isn’t a good excuse. None of that should be in your vocabulary and therefore shouldn’t just slip out.

2020 and people are still dropping racial slurs. Come on folks. This can’t be that hard to avoid.

You say this garbage at work you get fired. I don’t understand why hockey would be any different.

People accidentally say many things from 'i could kill that mf' to religous comments, sexual orientation comments such as calling someone a sissy (apparently that is anti LGBTQ according to one inclusion smeinar our firm requiires everyone to take), and even in a normal workplace someone commenting on your hair, your clothes, your age is all a no-no. So things slip out.

Emotions often run high in my job, too, but if I call the other side a racial slur I’m certainly getting fired.

People accidentally say many things from 'i could kill that mf' to religious comments, sexual orientation comments such as calling someone a sissy (apparently that is anti LGBTQ according to one inclusion seminar our firm requires everyone to take), and even in a normal workplace someone commenting on your hair, your clothes, your age is all a no-no. So things slip out.

What normally happens is not a firing for a first offense. You get a warning, counseling, and all sorts of other behaviour modification sessions. You get put on probation. If it happens again, then you get fired.

Funny how these "racism" offenses only happen in hockey. Similar offenses are unheard of in the NBA, NFL, and CFL.

Why is that you ask? In the NBA, NFL, and CFL, the vast majority of the players are African American. In football and basketball, Black guys set the tone. As a result, little or no anti-Black bias by White players.

If in the event that some Black football player shouted a racially charged word at a White player, the league would do nothing, the media would stay silent and the online peanut gallery would be silent as well. More likely than not, the White player involved would not complain in the first place.

You see, the sin of "racism" only works one way. That being only White people can be guilty of it. At least in the eyes of the media, and corporations such as sports leagues.

I have several friends that played in several professional sports (MLB, NFL, and MLS) and they say that certain minorities are always calling the other minorities by the common slur that you hear in all the rap songs.

They said the racial slurs were not the worst things that were said to opponents during the game.

You want it gone? Try not calling each other that name. You do not here jewish people calling each other certain anti-jewish names or the LGBTQ calling each other those slurs or even other races and nationalities calling each other the slurs for those races and nationalities.

Lastly, saying something doesn't necessarily make that person that thing. Me saying 'i'm gonna kill that mf dosnt mean I am a attempted murderer

 

[AfroThunder396]

lmao, a targeted remark is never an accident. Manning didn't accidentally stumble upon a word he thought was benign but later learned about its troubling context.

He deliberately chose his words, aimed them at a specific individual, immediately knew it was wrong, and then apologized when he was caught and punished.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Falling into a hole is an accident. Spilling your coffee is an accident.

Saying something racist directly targeted at a specific individual is not an accident.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I have several friends that played in several professional sports (MLB, NFL, and MLS) and they say that certain minorities are always calling the other minorities by the common slur that you hear in all the rap songs.

I bet you do, sir.

 

[Cruoris]

It’s not a fallacious argument but okay. Police officers are racist? Alright, have a good one. I’m done here.

Finally.

*continues reading*

Oh, you didn't mean in this thread.

*sigh*

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Finally.

*continues reading*

Oh, you didn't mean in this thread.

*sigh*

I am done* here, as well.














*reading your post

 

[Jim]

Should have just made him play a game with a wrong-handed stick and called it a day.

 

[Gappe]

I in no way approve with what he did. I disrespect people who throw around racial or any other kinds of slurs. But in a high emotional game we have a situation where the two teams start yelling at each other. One calls another out for being ugly another for being bald etc. But if you call some one out for being a different color it's so much worse. Where is the difference? Why isn't everyone who insults others being punished the same way? Would the same apply if an African American player would call out another player for being white?

 

[MXD]

I in no way approve with what he did. I disrespect people who throw around racial or any other kinds of slurs. But in a high emotional game we have a situation where the two teams start yelling at each other. One calls another out for being ugly another for being bald etc. But if you call some one out for being a different color it's so much worse. Where is the difference? Why isn't everyone who insults others being punished the same way? Would the same apply if an African American player would call out another player for being white?

Wait, that's REALLY your first post?

 

[EurlichBachman]

Finally.

*continues reading*

Oh, you didn't mean in this thread.

*sigh*

Oh heavens, I am so sorry you had to read my posts. I know differing opinions are trigger points these days. Thoughts and prayers to you.

Find the ignore button if they bother you. I replied to other posters as they responded to me. The one you quoted me on was me replying to a specific poster because we reached a point where we were obviously not going to find common ground so what was the point of continuing?

 

[MXD]

Oh heavens, I am so sorry you had to read my posts. I know differing opinions are trigger points these days. Thoughts and prayers to you.

Find the ignore button if they bother you. I replied to other posters as they responded to me. The one you quoted me on was me replying to a specific poster because we reached a point where we were obviously not going to find common ground so what was the point of continuing?

Looking at the respective replies, I'd say he wasn't the triggered one.

 

[EurlichBachman]

Looking at the respective replies, I'd say he wasn't the triggered one.

Was I? I felt I laid things out pretty rationally, I certainly wasn't upset when others posted and challenged my view of the situation. There was a poster who tried to liken this to getting high and drunk and running me over with his car lol

The only point I was really making is that I don't think he should be canned for it. That's all. It was mentioned earlier in this thread that he will lose about $165k because of this. That plus the fact that he comes off as being genuinely remorseful and took the initiative to go over and apologize and the player accepted his apology.. I think that's punishment enough. People screw up. If he's remorseful and learns from it then I think we can all move on. And as I have said previously, if this is a pattern of behavior he has shown in the past or continues in the future then much more harsh punishment should be on the table.

If you don't agree that's fine, but when someone replies to me telling me I'm basically covering up for racists or telling me they will hit me with their car because that is somehow a similar offense then I am going to respond. If you don't like it and/or don't want to see anything I have to say then just use the ignore/block button.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

You can't defend racist conduct ("Oh, it's just a screw-up or mistake!!") and claim you're laying something out "rationally". Irrational behavior is de facto irrational.

 

[ThirdManIn]

I in no way approve with what he did. I disrespect people who throw around racial or any other kinds of slurs. But in a high emotional game we have a situation where the two teams start yelling at each other. One calls another out for being ugly another for being bald etc. But if you call some one out for being a different color it's so much worse. Where is the difference? Why isn't everyone who insults others being punished the same way? Would the same apply if an African American player would call out another player for being white?

I have anger problems when I drive. I think a lot of people can relate, but mine get particularly bad at times if no one is in the car with me. I will shout some of the most obscene things I can think of at people who I deem to be driving inappropriately. You know what I never do? Shout racial slurs. I don't "accidentally" let slip a racial epithet because I don't casually use them in any situation at all. They just aren't so deeply embedded in my daily vocabulary that they can accidentally slip out in the heat of the moment. That's a terrible excuse.

And are you asking if an African-American player would be disciplined for calling a white person a "cracker"? Maybe a "peckerwood"? "Whitey"?

Yeah absolutely they should be, but apparently the few African-American people who do play hockey don't so casually use those terms that they "accidentally" slip out in the heat of the moment. I wonder why that is.

 

[Sombastate]

"i cannot thank my friends and family for their support."

Yeah, the hell with them!

Also, Manning is a douche bag. There is no support for him that isn't also douchey.

 

[MXD]

"i cannot thank my friends and family for their support."

Yeah, the hell with them!

Also, Manning is a *****e bag. There is no support for him that isn't also *****ey.

I'm pretty sure there's an "enough" missing.
I'm also pretty sure English isn't Imama's first language, and typos sometimes comes really quickly.

 

[Cruoris]

Oh heavens, I am so sorry you had to read my posts. I know differing opinions are trigger points these days. Thoughts and prayers to you.

Find the ignore button if they bother you. I replied to other posters as they responded to me. The one you quoted me on was me replying to a specific poster because we reached a point where we were obviously not going to find common ground so what was the point of continuing?

See, I thought you'd reached that point with the rest of the board. Alas.

 

[Cruoris]

The last thread on this got closed while I was posting, so I haven't expressly stated my opinion yet, but for the sake of posterity, I'd have cried precisely zero tears for Manning if he'd gotten sacked over this. The penalty he got was a slap on the wrist. And before someone screeches "Hypocriiiiite," I'd say the same thing if we were talking about McDavid, Ovechkin, or Carey Price.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You've never said something stupid and wish you hadn't? Wish we were all as perfect as you. He ****ed up. He apologized for it and the other guy forgave him. He is forfeiting about $165k and will always be known for this above everything else he has ever accomplished (except maybe injuring McDavid). I think that's fair punishment. If you don't agree that's fine. I'm going to move on though, I actually didn't think my view on it would be THIS controversial. Have a good one.

A) You're conflating "saying something stupid" with "using a racial slur". Those are two COMPLETELY different categories of behavior. Being called out for calling a colleague a slur is NOT a common experience and conflating this with random error is... well, let's just say that perspective comes from a questionable view of what is normal.

B) Even given the above, we are still responsible for what we say. Even if I go my entire life without ever making a single mistake, if just that one time I decide to call my coworker a slur, I'm going to deservedly lose my job. There is absolutely no question about that and it is the correct policy to have, because I am accountable for 100% of the words that come out of my mouth. Not 99%... 100%.

 

[EurlichBachman]

A) You're conflating "saying something stupid" with "using a racial slur". Those are two COMPLETELY different categories of behavior. Being called out for calling a colleague a slur is NOT a common experience and conflating this with random error is... well, let's just say that perspective comes from a questionable view of what is normal.

B) Even given the above, we are still responsible for what we say. Even if I go my entire life without ever making a single mistake, if just that one time I decide to call my coworker a slur, I'm going to deservedly lose my job. There is absolutely no question about that and it is the correct policy to have, because I am accountable for 100% of the words that come out of my mouth. Not 99%... 100%.

Hey man, I have laid out my view at length at this point. If you don't agree with it then that's cool.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

It always floors me that, as a black dude, it's ok for people to say racial slurs in some people's minds because it's a heat of the moment thing. That in that moment, it's ok to be racist or homophobic or whatever the slander/slur is at any given time with athletes.

It's not.

You will never ever be seen as anything but a racist in my books, you think being black I am supposed to brush it off as "ah he was just mad" saying a slur being meh in the process when that should never be the case. The NHL/AHL can act like they're way ahead of the curve with this stuff, but it still happens. That's a problem.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I have anger problems when I drive. I think a lot of people can relate, but mine get particularly bad at times if no one is in the car with me. I will shout some of the most obscene things I can think of at people who I deem to be driving inappropriately. You know what I never do? Shout racial slurs. I don't "accidentally" let slip a racial epithet because I don't casually use them in any situation at all. They just aren't so deeply embedded in my daily vocabulary that they can accidentally slip out in the heat of the moment. That's a terrible excuse.

And are you asking if an African-American player would be disciplined for calling a white person a "cracker"? Maybe a "peckerwood"? "Whitey"?

Yeah absolutely they should be, but apparently the few African-American people who do play hockey don't so casually use those terms that they "accidentally" slip out in the heat of the moment. I wonder why that is.

I have never been compelled to use those words even while angry. Or a slur of any kind.

 

[ThirdManIn]

Hey man, I have laid out my view at length at this point. If you don't agree with it then that's cool.

The problem is you seem to think your view is acceptable and somehow inherently valuable. It isn't.