Value of: Bowen Byram at 3rd Overall

[TGWL]

The only problem is Chicago is loaded on D prospects right now

So trade some D prospects then. Take the #3 pick and don't look back.

 

[LDF]

I wouldn't. He is a good defenseman but not a franchise defenseman. Cozens, even Turcotte I have ahead of him

no offense but i disagree, b/c there is no guarntee that they will develop as hope .

 

[LDF]

So trade some D prospects then. Take the #3 pick and don't look back.

that is the only way to look at these players come draft day. no second guessing .....

 

[LDF]

the other question is rhetorical at best.....

"how close is team is to making a nice run in the Playoff.... so is this player if selected will help if not now, later?

 

[Taylorst]

but the need for find the next Keith is or will be virtually impossible unless you find him in the draft.

Your right and Chicago's only correct way to build their blue line is and will be by the draft.

Everyone in Chicago would love to see Stan go after trouba, but in reality that won't happen for 2 reasons

Stan won't give away picks or his current stockpile of defenseman

Also Stan won't blow his cap by paying trouba salary demands.

 

[TGWL]

No I believe Hughes goes first hands down. However I think byram being the next best player hands down by position could go at number 2.

Sure kakko is a top player but when you look at the talent of forwards kakko isn't better than Hughes and 3 through 9 all have great qualities.

So if your taking the best player by position available then it's possible byram who is projected to be a number 1 defenseman and could crack the nhl 2020 and be impactful.

Why would you draft based on the best player by position? You don't take the best Goalie, because the best Center, Winger, and D-man were already taken. Rangers don't need to draft Byram just because Hughes is taken at #1 - which by the way, 5k on draft kings, earns you 6800 for Hughes #1.

 

[LDF]

Your right and Chicago's only correct way to build their blue line is and will be by the draft.

Everyone in Chicago would love to see Stan go after trouba, but in reality that won't happen for 2 reasons

Stan won't give away picks or his current stockpile of defenseman

Also Stan won't blow his cap by paying trouba salary demands.

there are 2 other question.

1. the cost, is the cost doable ??

2. ref to trouba, he is a rhd, the team needs a lhd.

 

[LDF]

Why would you draft based on the best player by position? You don't take the best Goalie, because the best Center, Winger, and D-man were already taken. Rangers don't need to draft Byram just because Hughes is taken at #1 - which by the way, 5k on draft kings, earns you 6800 for Hughes #1.

there is no clr cut answer when you are talking about the Bhawks and teams like them. there is sooooo many variable associated with the needs of the org at draft day.

 

[Taylorst]

there are 2 other question.

1. the cost, is the cost doable ??

2. ref to trouba, he is a rhd, the team needs a lhd.

They do need a RHD, Seabrook is obviously no longer able to play the same amount of time

Murphy is at best a 4 but definitely a 5 defenseman.

 

[LDF]

They do need a RHD, Seabrook is obviously no longer able to play the same amount of time

Murphy is at best a 4 but definitely a 5 defenseman.

true, but the Bhawks have a good surplus of prospect knocking on the door to perform.

 

[Taylorst]

there is no clr cut answer when you are talking about the Bhawks and teams like them. there is sooooo many variable associated with the needs of the org at draft day.

Also their is no guarantee either with your draft pick or current prospects that anything will work out what you had high hopes for.

Look at strome and Perlini or koekkoek all high picks but the results didn't show,


Strome once traded seemed to benefit .

 

[TGWL]

there is no clr cut answer when you are talking about the Bhawks and teams like them. there is sooooo many variable associated with the needs of the org at draft day.

Yeah, you take the best available at what you need the most. And there's a lot of variables for what a team needs. I can't see any logic taking the a player best in their position because the gap between the next best player is larger. You don't take the best Goalie, because the best Center, Winger, and D-man are already selected and the gap between this goalie and the next goalie is much larger than the next best skater.

 

[Patagonia]

Think the Hawks have to draft Byram

You just can't get those type of dman on free agency anymore and they cost a fortune to trade for

Need to take the advantage while you can have an embarrassment of riches on the blue line and if needed, you have an abundance to use as trade bait for forward help

To get a young high end DMan, team's overpay.

Here are some recent trades:

• Johansen > Jones. Even. Jones was buried on the 3rd line and Johansen was the 1C. Both teams benefited from the trade.
• Drouin > Sergachev. TB. Sergachev was still in the Minors and Drouin recently had an incredible playoff series. Drouin remains and enigma, with immense talent still seems to struggle. Sergachev continues to improve, playing sheltered 3rd line his talent is evident.
• Hamilton/Ferland/Fox > Hanifin/Lindholm. CGY. A complicated trade with multiple pieces, but Hanifin was drafted high and still struggling. With a new environment, he's blossomed and CGY easily won this trade.
• O'Reilly/McGinn > Zadorov/Compher/Grigerenko/Greer. BUF. This trade could be viewed as a loss. Zadorov development has stagnated, but still really young and could change. Compher/Greer evens the gap, but basing on the core player Zadorov - BUF won this trade.

So generally, the offered players were better than the DMan prospects. Good young DMan requires more time, but are extremely difficult to trade unless an overpayment is included.

If the BPA is a DMan, draft him and worry about the surplus later.

 

[LDF]

Also their is no guarantee either with your draft pick or current prospects that anything will work out what you had high hopes for.

Look at strome and Perlini or koekkoek all high picks but the results didn't show,


Strome once traded seemed to benefit .

excellent pov and that is my point as well.

 

[Taylorst]

To get a young high end DMan, team's overpay.

Here are some recent trades:

• Johansen > Jones. Even. Jones was buried on the 3rd line and Johansen was the 1C. Both teams benefited from the trade.
• Drouin > Sergachev. TB. Sergachev was still in the Minors and Drouin recently had an incredible playoff series. Drouin remains and enigma, with immense talent still seems to struggle. Sergachev continues to improve, playing sheltered 3rd line his talent is evident.
• Hamilton/Ferland/Fox > Hanifin/Lindholm. CGY. A complicated trade with multiple pieces, but Hanifin was drafted high and still struggling. With a new environment, he's blossomed and CGY easily won this trade.
• O'Reilly/McGinn > Zadorov/Compher/Grigerenko/Greer. BUF. This trade could be viewed as a loss. Zadorov development has stagnated, but still really young and could change. Compher/Greer evens the gap, but basing on the core player Zadorov - BUF won this trade.

So generally, the offered players were better than the DMan prospects. Good young DMan requires more time, but are extremely difficult to trade unless an overpayment is included.

If the BPA is a DMan, draft him and worry about the surplus later.

Wow this was a outstanding break down and summary to explain the big picture.

If memory serves me right.

Chicago use to be loaded with defenseman, and throughout Chicago's cup runs , they traded multiple young defensive prospects.

 

[bernmeister]

I believe the NYR are higher with Podkolzin. They’ve been heavily scouting in Russia and might be willing to trade down a few spots. Byram is not likely in the Top 2.

We are taking Kakko. The only thing that would change that is:
1- Jersey picks him
2- the maritans kidnap him.

We are not taking Byram, Pod-meister, or anyone else at 2
Podkolzin we would take a few slots later, even if he is MIA for 2 years min +, but only with another pick we can trade for.

They do need a RHD, Seabrook is obviously no longer able to play the same amount of time
Murphy is at best a 4 but definitely a 5 defenseman.

They have Boqvist + at RD knockin at the door.
LD, have some, could use more.

 

[Taylorst]

true, but the Bhawks have a good surplus of prospect knocking on the door to perform.

Chicago does but we all know that defenseman take longer to develop and their is no guarantee any of these kids will turn out to be impactful players.

 

[LDF]

Wow this was a outstanding break down and summary to explain the big picture.

If memory serves me right.

Chicago use to be loaded with defenseman, and throughout Chicago's cup runs , they traded multiple young defensive prospects.

yes that that is why it is imperiative to continue to acquire d-men and keep the best for the org.

 

[Patagonia]

We are taking Kakko. The only thing that would change that is:
1- Jersey picks him
2- the maritans kidnap him.

We are not taking Byram, Pod-meister, or anyone else at 2
Podkolzin we would take a few slots later, even if he is MIA for 2 years min +, but only with another pick we can trade for.




They have Boqvist + at RD knockin at the door.
LD, have some, could use more.

I agree as well, Kakko is locked at 2nd unless Hughes falls.

Can’t see the NYR trading down either unless they can grab Podkolzin which should be no lower than Top 5.

Everyone keeps their Top 5 pick.

 

[LDF]

Chicago does but we all know that defenseman take longer to develop and their is no guarantee any of these kids will turn out to be impactful players.

perfectly right. that is why you pick not for need but how will that player help ..... get them all and let them separate themselves at camp.

 

[Dan Kelly]

So trade some D prospects then. Take the #3 pick and don't look back.

I agree with this! You take a bunch of great defensive prospects and the may the best man or men win !

 

[TGWL]

We are taking Kakko. The only thing that would change that is:
1- Jersey picks him
2- the maritans kidnap him.

We are not taking Byram, Pod-meister, or anyone else at 2
Podkolzin we would take a few slots later, even if he is MIA for 2 years min +, but only with another pick we can trade for.




They have Boqvist + at RD knockin at the door.
LD, have some, could use more.

I think the poster meant out of the next tier, it's believed we would be higher on Podkolzin.

 

[Taylorst]

Hughes is probably the only player that will hands down play next season and be impactful.

Kakko
Pod,
Turcotte
Dach
Cozen

All have great qualities , as well have question marks and depending upon your needs or view each of them the drop off from 2 through 9 isn't noticeable.


Byram is the best defenseman in the draft .

Defenseman take a lot longer to develop and compete . You can always find yourself a forward via trade or free agency, but to get high end defenseman your either overpaying or depleting your picks, prospects and honestly what team is going to trade or allow a high end defenseman to walk or be traded away.

 

[Taylorst]

Why would you draft based on the best player by position? You don't take the best Goalie, because the best Center, Winger, and D-man were already taken. Rangers don't need to draft Byram just because Hughes is taken at #1 - which by the way, 5k on draft kings, earns you 6800 for Hughes #1.

Look at Tampa and Nashville defense, you can't go wrong by having that much skill and depth on your backend and farm system.

Most teams would kill to have 1 or 2 defenseman.

Most teams struggle on the backend because they lack depth their or what they thought was promising isn't really a solid player.


Toronto great upfront but their backend isn't anything special.

 

[LDF]

Look at Tampa and Nashville defense, you can't go wrong by having that much skill and depth on your backend and farm system.

Most teams would kill to have 1 or 2 defenseman.

Most teams struggle on the backend because they lack depth their or what they thought was promising isn't really a solid player.


Toronto great upfront but their backend isn't anything special.

and that is the most important pov that many are not seeing or refusing to admit to.