TSN: Bobby Mac's list

[Locks]

If that's the case I would definitely pass on Broberg. Especially for a defenceman, I think Hockey IQ is the most important trait. Don't want another Beaulieu.

Broberg does not even have Beaulieu skills. Beaulieu had far superior puck skills - he could dance in the o-zone - and was a much better passer. I did not talk about Broberg because he was not supposed to be available at 15 but it seems that the scouts got a more realistic view of his upside as he dropped second time in a row in Bob's list - from 8 to 10 to 15. That's a rather significant slide. I have watched a few key u18 games lately and honestly don't see him a fit.

Nice prospect and all but what does he bring that we already don't have among our d prospects and young NHLers? We have a nice bunch that can defend and move the puck very well. There is no single area - aside from height - where Brodberg is better than Romanov and in the IQ and passing department Romanov is miles ahead.

What we don't have - aside from Brook - are the guys who can be legit offensive dmen. I see Broberg's offense in the NHL is similar to Petry who generates most of his chances with great skating and good shooting. While Petry type is a nice to have asset, there is superior talent likely available for offensive dmen like Harley and Heinola. And if they decide to go for Broberg type of player, Seider is a far better choice as a potential top pair guy, never mind his handedness.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

well Gobias I guess Trouba going to the Rags means we're getting Dorothy!!!

 

[Intangir]

well Gobias I guess Trouba going to the Rags means we're getting Dorothy!!!

More like we're getting Gostisbehere.

 

[Goldenhands]

That's some high praise. I'm not well informed on the 2019 draft class, as I've taken somewhat of a hiatus from hockey and these boards since the Habs' last game.

How is his shot?

Very good arsenal of shots, only needs to learn how to walk the line better and open up passing and shooting lanes.

 

[sharks9]

Looking at who might be available for our 2nd and 3rd round picks, what's the deal with Alex Beaucage?

39 goals and 79 points in 68 games, 16 points in 16 games in the playoffs. Decent size too, but ranked near the mid-3rd round. What are his issues that have him ranked so low?

 

[Goldenhands]

Looking at who might be available for our 2nd and 3rd round picks, what's the deal with Alex Beaucage?

39 goals and 79 points in 68 games, 16 points in 16 games in the playoffs. Decent size too, but ranked near the mid-3rd round. What are his issues that have him ranked so low?

Slow skater, not the highest compete and IQ...

 

[Goldenhands]

Broberg does not even have Beaulieu skills. Beaulieu had far superior puck skills - he could dance in the o-zone - and was a much better passer. I did not talk about Broberg because he was not supposed to be available at 15 but it seems that the scouts got a more realistic view of his upside as he dropped second time in a row in Bob's list - from 8 to 10 to 15. That's a rather significant slide. I have watched a few key u18 games lately and honestly don't see him a fit.

Nice prospect and all but what does he bring that we already don't have among our d prospects and young NHLers? We have a nice bunch that can defend and move the puck very well. There is no single area - aside from height - where Brodberg is better than Romanov and in the IQ and passing department Romanov is miles ahead.

What we don't have - aside from Brook - are the guys who can be legit offensive dmen. I see Broberg's offense in the NHL is similar to Petry who generates most of his chances with great skating and good shooting. While Petry type is a nice to have asset, there is superior talent likely available for offensive dmen like Harley and Heinola. And if they decide to go for Broberg type of player, Seider is a far better choice as a potential top pair guy, never mind his handedness.

Beaulieu was a crazy horse running everywhere, constantly out of position and playing on a powerhouse... Broberg is much more steady and balanced defenseman that uses his strong skating and smarts to help the transition and generate offense while being extremmely solid and tough to beat defensively... This kid has all the tools to become a top pairing defenseman, Im laughing at the lack of IQ comments, that kid is one of the youngest players in the draft, he only is starting to fill his huge frame and realize how good he can become... There is no shame at struggling a bit in your draft year in a good league against men, once the kid fills his frame and gains confidence, you wont hear the IQ remarks anymore...

 

[superstar436]

You can’t guarantee that from any player, come on.....

if carey was 27-28 the odds are with you, ut now that he is 32 yrs old, the odds are against

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Size and stats Harley matches up pretty close to Sergachev in his draft year, what would be the big difference in their games? Serg had a pro slapper but just curious where he’d rank amongst the top D in this draft

 

[TT1]

If we pick Knight at 15 (which i doubt will happen), it would only be because we think he has franchise goalie potential.

There would be no other reason to pick him with our goaltending pipeline (namely Price/Primeau) , he'd have to be by far the highest BPA.

At that point if it happens i wouldn't be too mad at the pick. I'd be willing to give the scouting staff the benefit of the doubt based on their drafts these past 2 years.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Laughable statement...

Well well, another one...

Its not limited, thats only a bit raw, he is a beautiful skater, stickhandler, passer and men crusher, he only need to learn a bit from better players, in a more talended league... Insane IQ and upside... Im a big Broberg fan, but Seider can become something even more special...

Dude you literally said Thomson is a bad skater and then a day later NHL scouts rank him in the top 5 for that particular skill.

That's laughable.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Broberg
York
Kaliyev

In that order

 

[habsfan891]

can you guarantee me today that 4 yrs from now

1- carey will still be interested in playing here

2- carey will still be healthy enought to play 55 games per year

3- carey will play as good as hehasbeen for last 10 yrs


if you can't, most probably bcz of his age, then you should start looking to fill that position in 4 yrs.

Primeau not exist to you?

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Dude you literally said Thomson is a bad skater and then a day later NHL scouts rank him in the top 5 for that particular skill.

That's laughable.

Assuming we pick at 15, no trade, who do like?

I think I am leaning towards Heinola there, but I don't know anymore.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Assuming we pick at 15, no trade, who do like?

I think I am leaning towards Heinola there, but I don't know anymore.

No trade?

I think I would probably go Heinola, depending on who's available. If Thomson was a LD, I'd take him but if you are splitting hairs on two guys, might as well go for the one who hits one of the bigger needs.

 

[sandviper]

I wouldn’t mind Heinola or Seider and I’m not as down on York and Harley as some people seem to be. I think all four are very good. If we are picking D, my preference would be Soderstrom if available.

Broberg I am ok with. Not enthusiastic about his offensive upside, which in my opinion we need much more. We don’t have any true offensive defenceman in the pipeline. Broberg can skate and is a great puck mover but while an offensive D is a PMD, not all PMD’s can create offense.

 

[Tyson]

The more I read about Heinola the more I hope he is picked

 

[jaffy27]

if carey was 27-28 the odds are with you, ut now that he is 32 yrs old, the odds are against

If Carey was a fwd, the odds are against you, but he’s a goalie and goalies tend to age better than fwds, now the odds are with you.

 

[jaffy27]

I wouldn’t mind Heinola or Seider and I’m not as down on York and Harley as some people seem to be. I think all four are very good. If we are picking D, my preference would be Soderstrom if available.

Broberg I am ok with. Not enthusiastic about his offensive upside, which in my opinion we need much more. We don’t have any true offensive defenceman in the pipeline. Broberg can skate and is a great puck mover but while an offensive D is a PMD, not all PMD’s can create offense.

But if you have Broberg paired up with let’s say a Brook, now you have two good skating D with size that can get the puck going. One has that shut down ability while the other will put up big numbers........a Bouwmeester/Pietrangelo type pairing minus the elite levelness of the aforementioned NHL players.

 

[Locks]

Beaulieu was a crazy horse running everywhere, constantly out of position and playing on a powerhouse... Broberg is much more steady and balanced defenseman that uses his strong skating and smarts to help the transition and generate offense while being extremmely solid and tough to beat defensively... This kid has all the tools to become a top pairing defenseman, Im laughing at the lack of IQ comments, that kid is one of the youngest players in the draft, he only is starting to fill his huge frame and realize how good he can become... There is no shame at struggling a bit in your draft year in a good league against men, once the kid fills his frame and gains confidence, you wont hear the IQ remarks anymore...

Sure, Beaulieu was all over the place defensively, I agree with you, but his offensive skills were quite obvious. His real big problem was and is between the ears.
Broberg is a solid prospect, I don't question that, but we have one first round pick and at 15 there is likely better talent available that also fits our need for an offensive dman. I am not sure he can be a first pair D, although I only saw him at u18. I am much more confident in Seider to become that.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

If we pick Knigt at 15 (which i doubt will happen), it would only be because we think he has franchise goalie potential.

There would be no other reason to pick him with our goaltending pipeline (namely Price/Primeau) , he'd have to be by far the highest BPA.

At that point if it happens i wouldn't be too mad at the pick. I'd be willing to give the scouting staff the benefit of the doubt based on their drafts these past 2 years.

or, you pick Knight, he becomes valued as much as Hart an you trade him for a team who desperately needs a strong goaltender.

 

[cphabs]

I wouldn’t mind Heinola or Seider and I’m not as down on York and Harley as some people seem to be. I think all four are very good. If we are picking D, my preference would be Soderstrom if available.

Broberg I am ok with. Not enthusiastic about his offensive upside, which in my opinion we need much more. We don’t have any true offensive defenceman in the pipeline. Broberg can skate and is a great puck mover but while an offensive D is a PMD, not all PMD’s can create offense.

Brooks?

 

[Goldenhands]

Dude you literally said Thomson is a bad skater and then a day later NHL scouts rank him in the top 5 for that particular skill.

That's laughable.

I said he was an average skater thinking in term of straight line speed and I just dont think Thomson's skating is much different than the best defensemen in this draft like Byram, Broberg, Seider, Harley, Soderstrom, Bjornfot who all are very good skaters too...

How do you rank those kids WTK? Cant wait to see your list...

 

[WeThreeKings]

I said he was an average skater thinking in term of straight line speed and I just dont think Thomson's skating is much different than the best defensemen in this draft like Byram, Broberg, Seider, Harley, Soderstrom, Bjornfot who all are very good skaters too...

How do you rank those kids WTK? Cant wait to see your list...

I can rank them but it depends on how you want them ranked. Highest upside? Likelihood of being a NHL player? Value per projected draft slot? Cause Bjornfot at late first and Thomson at late first is better value than Harley mid first.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Size and stats Harley matches up pretty close to Sergachev in his draft year, what would be the big difference in their games? Serg had a pro slapper but just curious where he’d rank amongst the top D in this draft

Harley is more rough around the edges than Serg was at the time, and as you mentioned Serg had a solid slapper while Harley's one is nearly non-existent. Harley is more risky but the upside is there and possibly even beyond.