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I'd keep Monahan and trade Johnny. Either trade him for another high end winger (Hall) or a couple high end prospects. But whatever we get back, we just CANNOT lose the trade.
Trading him for Hall is losing the trade. Trading him for a couple high end prospects is losing the trade.I'd keep Monahan and trade Johnny. Either trade him for another high end winger (Hall) or a couple high end prospects. But whatever we get back, we just CANNOT lose the trade.
It's not at all... you can regularly win at the draft by picking players with high NHLes and the younger for their draft year the better. It's not perfect but it's a hell of a lot more effective than traditional scouting, Bennett is an example of a player who should have been a star but wasn't, but when you waste picks every year not just on Smith's, Kanzigs, Jankowski's and Fischer's but also on guys who've never shown to be able of producing anymore than they have Joly, Roman, Mattson.Stop pretending the draft isn't a complete shot in the dark after pick #2. Stop pretending.
It's not at all... you can regularly win at the draft by picking players with high NHLes and the younger for their draft year the better. It's not perfect but it's a hell of a lot more effective than traditional scouting, Bennett is an example of a player who should have been a star but wasn't, but when you waste picks every year not just on Smith's, Kanzigs, Jankowski's and Fischer's but also on guys who've never shown to be able of producing anymore than they have Joly, Roman, Mattson.
If you want to learn about it look up Byron Bader on Twitter, the draft is very much becoming a predictable event.
I disagree for the most part it's very much that easy. Guys slip through the cracks and other guys get overrated but it's still superior to just the eye test. But obviously I'm not advocating for no scouting and all numbers but NHL scouts are wrong a lot more than the numbers are.Drafting on solely NHLe is a really really bad idea. If you want to argue that it's a tool to be used in conjunction with traditional scouting I'd say there is some merit. But every single year there are guys with lower NHLe that make the NHL vs junior offensive superstars that don't have the full skill set to become NHL players.
And frankly, if it was that easy, everyone would do it.
Also going back to the worst cup winning centers in the past two decades, it very easily goes to the 2003 NJ Devils lol.
I'd keep Monahan and trade Johnny. Either trade him for another high end winger (Hall) or a couple high end prospects. But whatever we get back, we just CANNOT lose the trade.
I disagree for the most part it's very much that easy. Guys slip through the cracks and other guys get overrated but it's still superior to just the eye test. But obviously I'm not advocating for no scouting and all numbers but NHL scouts are wrong a lot more than the numbers are.
It's not exact obviously but it should be taken into account, when drafting especially later in the draft.
Analytics run the MLB now but there was a time when people would've said the same thing about baseball.
Sorry, trading for Hart trophy winner means we lose? Hall and Johnny have been debated as who is better pretty much since Johnny entered the league, Johnny is not light years ahead in value, especially this year. If Johnny's give a **** meter is at an all time low and there isn't an expectation for that to change, his value isn't going to go back up to that of a 99 point player.Trading him for Hall is losing the trade. Trading him for a couple high end prospects is losing the trade.
You don't win a trade where you're trading a star.
Sorry, trading for Hart trophy winner means we lose? Hall and Johnny have been debated as who is better pretty much since Johnny entered the league, Johnny is not light years ahead in value, especially this year. If Johnny's give a **** meter is at an all time low and there isn't an expectation for that to change, his value isn't going to go back up to that of a 99 point player.
Totally agree with you and I only mention the Hart trophy to say that Hall isn't some scrub. I'd prefer to look to the future and I'm losing faith that Johnny can be the guy to carry this team. I personally think Hall would do more for this team going forward than Johnny will so that is my rationale for being ok with the trade. I think we've all agreed that we aren't going to be successful in the playoffs relying on Johnny to drive the offense. A player like Hall plays a game more suited for playoffs.There are so many variables there though. Hall is a UFA to be. Hall has 2 goals on the season. Hall has had a major injury since his Hart trophy. Hall is older than Gaudreau (marginally). Gaudreau has a much smaller cap hit than Hall will have even if he does re-sign with us. Gaudreau just finished 4th in Hart voting despite splitting votes with Gio (one single point back of 3rd place if memory serves). The gap simply because Hall won the trophy once isn't nearly as massive as you like to portray it.
I guess where I struggle with that mindset is look at the 2008-09 Calgary Hitmen. Out of their top players, not Sonne, not Bortis, not Kozun, but Michael Stone and Paul Postma have been the best of the bunch. Looking at NHLe that wouldn't have been the case.
Reider got first line ice time too...must have pictures of Ward doing illegal stuff.Sell everyone and fire the coach, I burned the steak on the BBQ watching because the goalie was pulled but what does the idiot coach do? He pulls and puts Backlund and ****ing Reider out there.
This core is a bunch of coach killers. They would have tuned Green out a long time ago.This team should only be allowed one more coach. If it doesn't work out, might as well dump every player over 24 and start again because it's just not gonna happen.
Travis Green, oh what could've been
I'd keep Monahan and trade Johnny. Either trade him for another high end winger (Hall) or a couple high end prospects. But whatever we get back, we just CANNOT lose the trade.
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