ZEBROA
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No one else can do that with those wingers, not even Matthews."**** it with these wingers, drive the play and just do it?"
No one else can do that with those wingers, not even Matthews."**** it with these wingers, drive the play and just do it?"
When Matthews went beast mode end of this season, his linemates were completely invisible, go back and watch, it was a treat to see him "will" plays. Now to be fair, nobody claims Willie is close to Matthews as a player....at least not publiclyNo one else can do that with those wingers, not even Matthews.
Lol is that supposed to be really good?
Playing the majority of his ice time with one of the best even strength goal scorers in the league I'd hope he could get some even strength points
Sure, I'm sure all it takes is playing with Matthews. Let's comparing Nylander to Matthews' most common 5v5 linemates this year.Like I said, he played with the best even strength goal scorer. You'd think he would get some even strength points, no?
Basically every player you quoted ended up with ~20+ more points than him so he's not really in their company.
I love how you guys find random stats that show nylander is among some elite players. Its always a fun read.
Not true, and Pastrnak is not a good comparable at all...
Like I said, he played with the best even strength goal scorer. You'd think he would get some even strength points, no?
Basically every player you quoted ended up with ~20+ more points than him so he's not really in their company.
I love how you guys find random stats that show nylander is among some elite players. Its always a fun read.
Well we have seen him dominate twice at the worlds but has never been able to translate that to the nhl.
I think the indicator is that he needs the bigger ice for time and space.
Anyone who puts value into this tournament has very little knowledge when it comes to hockey.
Don't forget Nylander is a powerplay specialist and struggles at 5v5 because he doesn't have open ice to work withSince when is even strength scoring a "random stat"? Its pretty basic, and shows hes alongside some excellent company, though since it seemingly disproves your entire argument I can see why you'd prefer it didn't exist...
So because we ****** up two other contracts we should continue on with that "plan"
That would be a gigantic RFA contract for a winger, about the only other guy that would be close would be Kane and he was winning playoff rounds at this point in his career
If his contract demands are ridiculous you do, gutting the team to seriously overpay any player isn't good strategy
Especially a winger, even one as brilliant as Marner
yeah, that's obviously not true.
He had 45 even strength points as a sophomore NHLer....
You of all people shouldn't try pull the "hockey knowledge" card lol
Nonsense.
You think if Pasta had two high scoring seasons by the time his elc was over instead of one he only signs for only 6.7 mil? Theres no way he would have.
If his contract demands are ridiculous you do, gutting the team to seriously overpay any player isn't good strategy
Especially a winger, even one as brilliant as Marner
How is Pastrnak a good comparable?
Prior to signing ELC:
U21 season:
Pastrnak: 75GP 34G 70P
U22 season:
Nylander: 82GP 20G 61P
How in the world are these good comparables?
That's not how contracts are determined: what matters is real production over the ELC. WHere Nylander had superior numbers (higher pp60 and higher ppg).
Why are we referring to Nylander's sophmore season still??
Points are how comparables are determined. Pastrnak is a horrible comparable.
Read the thread?
Of course! Have you?
The post you responded to was about how his elite production at the WHC have not been able to translate to the NHL level. He's not exactly wrong, and you're trying to cite his sophmore season as your rationale for some reason.
Are you faulting Marner for not winning a playoff round?
Its only okay to overpay Matthews and Nylander... I get it now...
If Nylander deserved 7 mil x 6 years after career highest of 22G and 61P, shouldn't a 26G 94P Marner be worth at least 10.5???
How is that statement not true? He has his WC play translated to the NHL?
William Nylander
World Championships: 1.69 P/GP (GREAT!)
NHL: 0.68 P/GP (Not all that great....)
Why are we referring to Nylander's sophmore season still??
Assisted from neutral zone pokechecks, what does nylander bring that doesn’t result in points?
And Nylander scored more points than Pasta prior to signing his post elc contract....
The poster literally said he hadn't dominated at the nhl level.
That even strength production says otherwise.
Again, please go back and reread it carefully and youll understand
The only season Nylander scored more points than Pastrnak was... NEVER.
U19:
Pastrnak: 46GP 10G 17P 27P
Nylander: Did not play
U20:
Pastrnak: 51GP 15G 26P
Nylander: 22GP 6G 13P
U21:
Pastrnak: 75GP 34G 70P
Nylander: 81GP 22G 61P
U22:
Pastrnak: 82GP 35G 80P
Nylander: 82GP 20G 61P
U23:
Pastrnak: 66GP 38G 81P
Nylanders: 54GP 7G 27P
The closest comprables in these numbers are Nylnaders U23 season and Pastrnak's U19 and U20 seasons....
It boggles my mind how people think that these are good comparables....
I object to paying him ridiculous money that usually goes to guys who won something, yes
No, those contracts suck and I've argued against them so I at least have a leg to stand on when I say don't do it again
If it's bad for the other two it's bad for Marner, I'm not someone that argued against those contracts and then acts like a hypocrite and argues we should do it for the good Torronna boy
Self awareness is our friend
Nylander was over paid (which I've said) and I'd like you to show me the last RFA winger straight off his ECL that made 10.5M that hadn't won anything? Hell I'll even take an RFA winger that had won something
Best of luck