Slapshot Sultan
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Bert and whining about Leafs fans, name a more iconic duo.This entire thread is based on leaf fans wanting justification in saying Marner is in a different tier than Barzal. Which objectively he is not. All the rest of the posters want is an acknowledgement they are close. However we're not going to get it. We should all bow down to the leafs. A team that hasn't won a playoff series in 16 years with players that haven't delivered when it matters most. Simply wanting proof they can elevate come playoff time is blasphemous. We should just give them the cup now it's 22 games into the season.
All people care about is past years on this site. It's a joke.
Barzal is borderline top 10, I'd say.Barzal is not comparable to Marner
Marner will be the best winger in the world moving forward
Barzal is a non top 10 C.
People don't care about quality of competition until we talk about the north divisionMarner has put up 21 point in 25 playoff games...
Ignored in all of this?
All 4 series have been against elite defensive teams (Caps, Bruins x2, Jackets) with high end goal-tending(Caps/Bruins), even Korpisalo put up a 0.941 in last years playoffs lol.
Barzal. He's basically the center, defensively sound version of Marner.
Barzal. He's basically the center, defensively sound version of Marner.
Rantanen is not in that tier. His production post signing has gone down and he is not with those three player.Barzal is borderline top 10, I'd say.
As for Marner being the best winger in the world, I think that Pastrnak, Kucherov and Rantanen would be in the conversation with him for a lot of his career. Marner is with that group though.
Marner is a great defensive player. He out produces Barzal even more than he out produces Rantanen.Barzal. He's basically the center, defensively sound version of Marner.
This entire thread is based on leaf fans wanting justification in saying Marner is in a different tier than Barzal. Which objectively he is not. All the rest of the posters want is an acknowledgement they are close. However we're not going to get it. We should all bow down to the leafs. A team that hasn't won a playoff series in 16 years with players that haven't delivered when it matters most. Simply wanting proof they can elevate come playoff time is blasphemous. We should just give them the cup now it's 22 games into the season.
Remember when the Caps played 'The wrong way' had had spectacular exit after exit? Keep pumping those points tho, points make a player great. Marner gonna crush it in the playoffs again...
Fair point. But Washington also has way more fire power. Barzal is honestly the only elite offensive piece the Islanders have.I don’t think this makes the point you think it does, it makes Barzal’s lack of offensive production look worse. Ovi, Backstrom, and Kuznetsov were still able to put up points while playing in Trotz’s system.
Rantanen is not in that tier. His production post signing has gone down and he is not with those three player.
Pasta and Kucherov are right with Marner (Kuch is better right now hes the 2nd best player in the world, while Pasta and Marner are about equal)
I disagree that Barzal is a top 10C rn or moving into the future. His production lags behind to many players right now. He does have the talent to be at that level but he needs more consistency to seperate himself from Aho/Point and move to the Matthews/Eichel tier
Yes I imagine Marner would be having more trouble racking up points against the Sabres, Rangers and Devils.
If you are more knowledgedable about statistics, why don't you go ahead and show your work on why Barzal is better?
Aho also does everything Marner does but is a center and without the luxury of Matthews on their lines.Barzal. He's basically the center, defensively sound version of Marner.
That's great and all if you don't factor in that Matthews has played with Hyman and Nylander the most at 5v5 since 2016-17 and Babcock never put Marner and Matthews together for any significant period of time.Aho also does everything Marner does but is a center and without the luxury of Matthews on their lines.
Marner was also injured last year yet he produced. The division is only strong defensively due to underperforming star players.It's almost like Rantanen got hurt last year, missing 28 of the 70 games his team played, and is playing in the best defensive division in the league this year. No, that can't possibly be the reason, it must be that his 1.18 PPG season and his 1.18 PPG career playoff scoring rates must be a fluke.
a center version of Marner who is also better defensively doesn't really sound like it describes a Barzal level playerBarzal. He's basically the center, defensively sound version of Marner.
Blackwood, Ullmark and Shesterkin are 8, 9, 10 in SV% this year among goalies with 10+ games played.
Hogburg is 38th (dead last), Murray is 35th, Price is 34th, Holtby is 32nd.
I'd imagine that racking up points against Ottawa, Montreal and Vancouver is about as easy as it gets this season.
a center version of Marner who is also better defensively doesn't really sound like it describes a Barzal level player
a center version of Marner who is also better defensively doesn't really sound like it describes a Barzal level player
Marner was also injured last year yet he produced. The division is only strong defensively due to underperforming star players.
The Avs as a whole have not delivered offensively as expected. MacKinnon has 21 in 18 which is low for the type of player he is.
The kings/sharks/yotes/wild are not elite defensive teams. Rantanen has struggled to produce and his production is more reliant on PP which hasnt been hot this year for the Avs.
He doesnt get any sort of pass when Marner was putting a 94 point pace making 10.9 last year and getting picked apart last year. Rantanen has been a 80 point guy while making 9.2 since signing his deal these past two years. The excuses wont cut it
a center version of Marner who is also better defensively doesn't really sound like it describes a Barzal level player
I think Barzal and Marner are both playmaking players first, but this is where the similarities end. Barzal plays the more important position. The myth and I am not saying it is coming from you Sidney, of him not playing defensively is a complete lark. To play for Trotz, you have to play D. He has made tremendous strides in that area of the game. He was never bad in that area, he was the Isles best ES player his rookie year at +1 while Tavares leaked at ES at -12.I don't think the "better defensively" thing is accurate, but in terms of the style of player they are, I think describing Barzal as a center version of Marner is pretty bang on.