Lol do some actual research. Pittsburgh won two cups recently. But yeah what a poor house Columbus is haha.Interesting that someone who has been arguing about systems this entire thread suddenly doesn't acknowledge the gap between scoring against the Penguins and scoring against Boston and Columbus (both top 3-5 teams in GA during those periods). I guess, like you said, some arguments are only used when they favour people's point
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'Bad look even for me'. You just compared a players production playing in a system vs playing against a system. It's not the same thing. Glad to see you've got the excuses lined up for Marner ready to go.
If I'm ignoring Barzal's 85p in 82gp rookie season, which I literally mentioned in that post, that's news to me. Look, I even just re-acknowledged it for you! But you are building your entire argument around a single season that doesn't even match what Marner has put on the board every single year since. I did not say once that Barzal has regressed, I pointed to the literal numbers on the board. And if you think that Marner hasn't improved since that one year, you're completely lost in the woods.
This entire thread is based on leaf fans wanting justification in saying Marner is in a different tier than Barzal. Which objectively he is not. All the rest of the posters want is an acknowledgement they are close. However we're not going to get it. We should all bow down to the leafs. A team that hasn't won a playoff series in 16 years with players that haven't delivered when it matters most. Simply wanting proof they can elevate come playoff time is blasphemous. We should just give them the cup now it's 22 games into the season.
I have taken university level courses on stats. They don't start with "throw out the data because you don't like it". Sure, you can probably do enough mathematical legwork to put the Leafs somewhere lower than the Islanders defensively, but it will be a pretty hard time bridging that ~75% points gap. And tbh I really think that you'd have a hard time proving that across the league team systems effect individual player scoring enough to discount ~30 points a year. I'm sure you'd get an R value that was statistically significant, maybe even something huge like .15 or .2, but I'll go out on the limb to say that correlation does not meet the level of causation that would justify a single person voting for Barzal in this poll.
Somehow the haters are twisting themselves into pretzels to somehow downplay current production but key in on Barzal's rookie production and somehow try to portray how it matters more.
