Barzal Or Matthews

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  1. Leaf Fans

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    Who in the heck is glasthews?
     
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    You are trippin’ fella. Nobody’s making excuses, just stating my observations from last nights game. You need to chill.
     
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    Not trippin, and perfectly chill.

    I just think it’s awfully convenient. Maybe this is a misguided statement on my part since this wasn’t you so for that I agree, apologies.
     
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    Check out post #93.

    Apology accepted.
     
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    I think Matthews is the better player but almost all of that comes from him being a better goal scorer versus Barzal and a better 5 v 5 player. I’d probably have my tiers like

    McDavid

    Mackinnon/Matthews

    Barzal/Barkov/Eichel/...

    I think if you look at 5v5 points there’s a clear separation between McDavid, Matthews, Mackinnon and the rest, and then when you look at offense generated in general there’s a separation between McDavid and Mackinnon/Matthews
     
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    Barzal had 3 shots on net last night. That's his high water mark for the season. Maybe a sign he's about to start generating more offence again.
     
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    Critical91 Marner, roll an acrobatics check.

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    Using rates from this season:

    82 gp Barzal = 64pts
    60 gp Matthews = 96pts

    Therefor, Matthews 60gp > Barzal 82gp
    :popcorn:
     
  8. Critical91

    Critical91 Marner, roll an acrobatics check.

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    Easily, eh?

    Arguably better in which ways?

    Are you still wondering?

    Yes.

    Interesting.

    Are you still laughing, Andrei? Matthews with 3 more pts in 12 fewer games. Marner with nearly double points.

    We’re jaut a bunch of homers though, right?
     
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    How is this still a real thread?
     
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    For the people earlier in the thread using Barzal's rookie year vs Matthews rookie year as evidence of Barzal being as good.. please go take a look at the amount of guys scoring at Matthews rookie pace in that season vs in Barzal's rookie year. The slashing rules (my theory) significantly increased the amount of "star players" during Barzal's rookie year, and as a result, makes it unfair to compare.
     
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    This thread did not age well for a lot of people.
     
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    Just an example of folks not knowing ****. A similar case to Dahlin and Pettersson. Most likely amazing rookie years, but generational and such ? Nooo.
     
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    And this is exactly why Barzal is one of the most underrated players in the league, Matthews is not a tier above Barzal. I think I remember leafs fans saying that in the beginning of the season with MacKinnon. And now look. They're in the same tier, however, Matthews is better right now. They are also two very different players. Matthews is predominantly a goal-scorer, Barzal is a playmaker. Both are very good in their respective departments
     
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    I think Matthews is a tier above Barzal . This is the first year both have faced roughly the same competition and so far Barzal is struggling. He could adapt and get better but right now it's clear Matthews is a tier above him.
     
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    Matthews is outscoring Barzal in half the games played....

    They arent in the same tier.
     
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    Matthews AINEC
     
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    Barzal easily
     
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    Matthews is and was always better, but I wasn't expecting Barzal to struggle this hard.
     
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    Yikes, lot of people looking dumb in here
     
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    Thread aging poorly

    Barzal 21 points in 27 games. (We told you things would change when Tavares wasn't taking the top assignments and playing a normal system but we were crazy....)

    Matthews 24 points in 15 games.

    It's not even close.
     
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    Marner is also better
     
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    I’m not even convinced Barzal is better than Kapanen. Let alone Matthews, Marner or Tavares.

    Barzal v Kapanen is the real comparison, but even then, Kapanen looks like the better offensive producer and the much better defensive player.

    If Barzal gets a payday, he really needs to give half his salary to Tavares.
     
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    Mathews > Marner
    Marner >> Barzal
     
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    Wow, this thread right here is a complete embarrassment for many.
     
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