Prospect Info: Bakersfield Condors '18-19 Season

[ChaoticOrange]

Re: Yams...

Worth a note here that the kid that got the GWG for the Pens tonight is just getting a shot NOW and was from the same draft year as Mitch freaking Moroz.

Sometimes letting guys overcook in the AHL isn’t a bad thing. Sometimes players are just not ready... until they are.

Just saying. This organization needs to be prepared to play the long game with Yamamoto.

 

[Cloned]

Re: Yams...

Worth a note here that the kid that got the GWG for the Pens tonight is just getting a shot NOW and was from the same draft year as Mitch freaking Moroz.

Sometimes letting guys overcook in the AHL isn’t a bad thing. Sometimes players are just not ready... until they are.

Just saying. This organization needs to be prepared to play the long game with Yamamoto.

Sometimes players are never ready...I’d say it’s 50/50 with Yamamoto.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

How many games does Sekera have left down there before he has to be called up again?

 

[BarDownBobo]

How many games does Sekera have left down there before he has to be called up again?

Today was the last one, pending an extension from the NHL.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Today was the last one, pending an extension from the NHL.

Thanks!

 

[Okanagan]

Seems to me we all had the same discussion when Yams was sent back to the Dub. He pouted for a couple months before getting it going.

Coach needs to have a hard convo with him.

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

Neat.

 

[Senor Catface]

Re: Yams...

Worth a note here that the kid that got the GWG for the Pens tonight is just getting a shot NOW and was from the same draft year as Mitch freaking Moroz.

Sometimes letting guys overcook in the AHL isn’t a bad thing. Sometimes players are just not ready... until they are.

Just saying. This organization needs to be prepared to play the long game with Yamamoto.

And again, he started this season as a 19 year old...

 

[replacement]

It's worth noting that the majority of the teams success really stems from honest, solid, but completely unremarkable hockey. No crazy dangles, no insane passing, no end to end rushes. Other than Marody being able to stickhandle in a phonebooth, there's nothing at all flashy about how they're getting it done.

Both McLellan and Woodcroft started the season on the same theme, playing "connected" hockey. Woodcroft is succeeding, you can see it on the ice.

 

[A91]

Re: Yams...

Worth a note here that the kid that got the GWG for the Pens tonight is just getting a shot NOW and was from the same draft year as Mitch freaking Moroz.

Sometimes letting guys overcook in the AHL isn’t a bad thing. Sometimes players are just not ready... until they are.

Just saying. This organization needs to be prepared to play the long game with Yamamoto.

I agree. Shouldn't be in the NHL next year. He has skill let him develop his pro game in Bako

 

[McJadeddog]

I agree. Shouldn't be in the NHL next year. He has skill let him develop his pro game in Bako

Yams is 2-3 years away from the NHL, if he ever gets there.

 

[A91]

Yams is 2-3 years away from the NHL, if he ever gets there.

I would take it one year at a time. Everyone develops at a different rate who knows. Definitely 1 year away from there as you mentioned it could be another 1-2-3 years or never

 

[ImmuneEH]

Next year we'll have McLeod and Maksimov joining Bakersfield's forward core.
Benson/Marody/Currie
Gambardella/McLeod/Yamamoto
?/?/Maksimov

I think ideally you have one of Currie, Marody, or Gambardella with the Oilers next season in a depth role making room for Maksimov on a skill line.

Then you have Samoroukov and one of Bouchard/Persson (and maybe Berglund) joining the D-core.

Jones/(Bouchard or Persson)
Lagesson/Bear
(The collection of Lowe, Stanton, Day, and probably other players I'm missing.)
/Samoroukov.

Guessing Samoroukov starts in the ECHL because Bakersfield has too much depth. In the NHL, we have:

Klef/Larsson
Nurse/Russell
Sekera/Benning
Persson

I think Manning gets waived, adding to the depth of Bakersfield. Benning is an established 3RD. My thinking is that Bouchard starts in Bakersfield, gets top pairing minutes and 1PP duties. I think it would be ideal to develop Persson in Bakersield, let him get acclimated to pro hockey on NA ice. Is that what he would want though? He cares about his own development, wanting to take it slow and spend another season in the SHL. If he truly cares about his development, I think he'd be okay spending some time in the AHL.

I think we're stuck with that NHL D-core next season. You probably could trade Russell, but that would just open up a hole at 2RD. You'd be hard pressed to find a team wanting Sekera's contract with his injury history. If he proves to at least be a 2LD again, maybe he'll become trade bait.

Takeaway: The farm team will continue to be strong next year, and in the 2020/21 season we'll have an influx of prospects making cases to join the NHL squad.

As for the goaltending situation... Montoya walks obviously. Let Starrett be the starter in Bakersfield next season. Hawkey comes in as the back-up, bumping down Skinner to ECHL. Sign a stopgap back-up for next season in the NHL. If Starrett continues to be consistent next year, he earns an NHL back-up job. Skinner and Wells compete for the AHL back-up job when Starrett is called up. The following year, Skinner and Hawkey compete for the starting job, and Rodrigue/Wells compete for playing time in the ECHL. That's goalie depth.

 

[McDNicks17]

CONDORS: Woodcroft treating winning 'as a skill'

It's clear the Condors have bought into Woodcroft's belief that winning as a skill, given the remarkable run. But the bench boss isn't solely relying on that to breed a winning culture in Kern County. Woodcroft also takes the time to understand his players as individuals, causing his troops to rally behind him.

Many Condors skaters lauded Woodcroft's ability to understand each player in the dressing room individually. It's a sentiment that's gone a long way.

"He's been really open and speaking to guys, getting personal with guys. I've never really had a coach that wanted to get to know all about me like the way he does but he does it to everybody," said Ethan Bear, who has 20 points in 38 games this season.

"He's one of my favourite coaches I've ever had, honestly," said Cooper Marody. "It's a fine line between a guy you want to play for and also a guy you respect greatly.

"It's almost like when you come to the rink, you don't want to let him down. Everybody in the locker room is playing to make him proud of us. That's a great environment."

Serve me up some more crow.

 

[ImmuneEH]

CONDORS: Woodcroft treating winning 'as a skill'



Serve me up some more crow.

If Woodcroft continues to do good things with the Condors next year, he has to be considered for the HC job for the Oilers in the year to follow (2020/21 season).

 

[joestevens29]

If Woodcroft continues to do good things with the Condors next year, he has to be considered for the HC job for the Oilers in the year to follow (2020/21 season).

I don't know that he will and I don't know that I want him to.

Ideally whoever coaches next year has to be here for more than a year. They should be around for the long haul.

I just don't see Woodcroft getting his shot here and if he does it kind of means we are shit and will have a lot more issues to deal with than just a coach. No way McDavid will stick around if they can't figure it out.

 

[3IR]

CONDORS: Woodcroft treating winning 'as a skill'



Serve me up some more crow.

It's absolutely crazy how he's gone from public enemy number 1, to being responsible for the only good thing about the oilers org right now.

I've always thought individual communication was one of the major factors that make a good coach, which is why I loved Krueger and Nelson so much.

I'd almost give him a shot next year as HC if he finishes the AHL season strong.

Not like there's a ton of better options out there.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

It's absolutely crazy how he's gone from public enemy number 1, to being responsible for the only good thing about the oilers org right now.

I've always thought individual communication was one of the major factors that make a good coach, which is why I loved Krueger and Nelson so much.

I'd almost give him a shot next year as HC if he finishes the AHL season strong.

Not like there's a ton of better options out there.

We need to strive to have top end guys at all positions like the Leafs when they turned around their shit show- Shanahan, Lamoriello, Dubas, Hunter, Babcock, and Keefe.

That's a quality president overseeing things, a quality 3 man brain trust, and two good head coaches (NHL/AHL). Ofcourse keeping together a group where most of the individuals are a little overqualified for their position is a hard thing to do, but that's 6 guys to run a quality organization (or atleast turn around a train wreck) and at the moment we can only check off one of those 6 boxes. That isn't to say scouting isn't important as well, but we really need to improve the nucleus that has its hands on the levers of power.

 

[Senor Catface]

I wonder when Bakersfield is going to promote some of the Oilers to the team.

I think McDavid has earned a shot to play with the big club.

 

[joestevens29]

We need to strive to have top end guys at all positions like the Leafs when they turned around their **** show- Shanahan, Lamoriello, Dubas, Hunter, Babcock, and Keefe.

That's a quality president overseeing things, a quality 3 man brain trust, and two good head coaches (NHL/AHL). Ofcourse keep together a group where most of the individuals are a little overqualified for their position is a hard thing to do, but that's 6 guys to run a quality organization (or atleast turn around a train wreck) and at the moment we can only check off one of those 6 boxes. That isn't to say scouting isn't important as well, but we really need to improve the nucleus that has its hands on the levers of power.

We seemed to be on the right track with PC and TM, then bringing in Keith as well.

Problem was there was just no one else for PC to really talk to about pro players other than Howson, MacT and Lowe. If he would've at least hired one outsider to be an assistant GM to help with pro players it would've been nice

 

[Faelko]

CONDORS: Woodcroft treating winning 'as a skill'



Serve me up some more crow.

Ditto...

 

[BigTime99]

Anyone know why spooner didn't play last night?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Anyone know why spooner didn't play last night?

Little injury apparently

 

[BigTime99]

Ok thanks. Got excited that they might b holding him out for a trade.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

We seemed to be on the right track with PC and TM, then bringing in Keith as well.

Problem was there was just no one else for PC to really talk to about pro players other than Howson, MacT and Lowe. If he would've at least hired one outsider to be an assistant GM to help with pro players it would've been nice

Not the place to get into that in depth, but PC was the worst GM in the league, before we signed him he had a 4 year streak where he was bad in Boston (got fired for a reason) and 4 truly terrible years here and Keith Gretzky was with him through just about all of it, it was a horrible brain trust without even factoring in Howson and MacT, who were both subpar GMs when they got their opportunities (Lowe is on the business side of things with the OIG and has been for a while).

What I was talking about was basically an all-star group of managers, president, and coaches; where as our group was a collection of failures who arguably don't deserve the positions they have, let alone being good enough to take more responsibility. I also don't think even with the best brain trust behind him Chia would be successful here, he just couldn't manage assets, cap space, and had outdated ideas for where the game was trending and even worse he was pushing in the opposite direction of the trend.