Cousin Eddie
You Serious Clark?
- Nov 3, 2006
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How about a mega-deal:
To Boston: Duchene, Landy, Bigras
To Colorado: Pastrnak, McAvoy, Heinen, 1st, Cap Dump
If the Avs add Makar Boston still laughs.
How about a mega-deal:
To Boston: Duchene, Landy, Bigras
To Colorado: Pastrnak, McAvoy, Heinen, 1st, Cap Dump
Barrie + Lando for pasta and that d man.
If i was Sakic I'd call Edmonton and offer Duchene + Barrie for Draisaitl + 2nd. I know Sakic wants a top 4 D for Duchene but I'd put my faith in Makar to become a stud in the NHL and get a guy like Draisaitl. Edmonton might do it too since they have trouble signing Draisaitl
How about a mega-deal:
To Boston: Duchene, Landy, Bigras
To Colorado: Pastrnak, McAvoy, Heinen, 1st, Cap Dump
Pastrnak>Duchene, McAvoy>Landeskog (at least to Bruins), Heinen+1st>Bigras....come on.
Well if Pastrnak is being a pain to sign then his value decreases slightly. Not sure what is going on there. It sounds like they'd almost prefer to move him than sign him.
You could change McAvoy to Carlo and make the deal essentially:
Carlo+Heinen+1st for Duchene (IMO that is reasonable for Duchene, a decent young dman, a B prospect, and a first)
Then...
Pastrnak for Landy+Bigras (Maybe in favor of the Avs, but they could do a lot worse than getting Landy and a decent prospect if they were trading Pastrnak)
The guy hit 70 points...at 21. He's worth MacKinnon (taking into account his contract issues). I know he's a winger, but 35 goals and 70 point is sort of where we are now hoping MacKinnon can hopefully max out as. I wouldn't trade MacK for him, but that's what Sweeney should gun for, in all honesty. Ignoring the first bit of your proposal, Pastrnak for Landeskog+Bigras...Boston has several young D clearly better or equivalent (McAvoy, Zboril, Lauzon), and Landeskog is a very clear downgrade. Put yourself in Boston's shoes...that would be awful.
The guy hit 70 points...at 21. He's worth MacKinnon (taking into account his contract issues). I know he's a winger, but 35 goals and 70 point is sort of where we are now hoping MacKinnon can hopefully max out as. I wouldn't trade MacK for him, but that's what Sweeney should gun for, in all honesty. Ignoring the first bit of your proposal, Pastrnak for Landeskog+Bigras...Boston has several young D clearly better or equivalent (McAvoy, Zboril, Lauzon), and Landeskog is a very clear downgrade. Put yourself in Boston's shoes...that would be awful.
So one good year now, equals superstar status?
Sure he had a good season last year, now he wants a load of cash. Who knows if he ever gets to that status again. It very well could have been his career season. Not to mention he is a one dimensional winger. The only reason I really want him is because we need a goal scoring winger.
I can see why Boston doesn't want to pay out the ass. It's the exact same reason why the Avs were leery of paying ROR big bucks after his ELC where he had two OK seasons and one good one.
As for the proposal, you can say what you want but Landy at 5.5M for 4 years is better than whatever ridiculous amount Pastrnak and his one good season wants to be paid. Landy is probably good for around 50pts and good two way play. Pastrnak is probably going to be a 55-60pts at best one-way goal scorer.
That's 11+ Million going their way. Might as well sign Draisaitl.
So one good year now, equals superstar status?
Sure he had a good season last year, now he wants a load of cash. Who knows if he ever gets to that status again. It very well could have been his career season. Not to mention he is a one dimensional winger. The only reason I really want him is because we need a goal scoring winger.
I can see why Boston doesn't want to pay out the ass. It's the exact same reason why the Avs were leery of paying ROR big bucks after his ELC where he had two OK seasons and one good one.
As for the proposal, you can say what you want but Landy at 5.5M for 4 years is better than whatever ridiculous amount Pastrnak and his one good season wants to be paid. Landy is probably good for around 50pts and good two way play. Pastrnak is probably going to be a 55-60pts at best one-way goal scorer.
Great post.
To suggest that, at 21 years old, Pastrnak is going to settle in as a 55-60 points player "AT BEST," and be just a one way goal scorer, after literally just hitting 70 points, is crazy illogical talk. You basically took Pastrnak's great season at only 21, said "it's a fluke," downgraded him by 10-15 points (and you apparently think it's generous to only downgrade him that little since you said "at best"), and said that's probably what he's going to be from here on out.
You may want to be careful with your statements quoted above. Nathan MacKinnon scored 64 points as an 18 year old rookie and tied a 30+ year old NHL rookie record for most points in a playoff series. People would have thought it was crazy to suggest that he would not continue his ascension. (For the record, I do believe it is crazy to believe that a player has had his best season as an 18 year old rookie).
The recency bias has always been very strong on these boards.
You clearly don't watch David Pastrnak...One of his best attributes is his work ethic. To illustrate him as a "one dimensional" winger like he's Jordan Eberle 2.0 is ridiculous. His shot is excellent, but he's every bit as good at playmaking. This isn't someone who floats around and waits for the puck - he's an incredibly exciting player to watch, he drives the play. To suggest that, at 21 years old, Pastrnak is going to settle in as a 55-60 points player "AT BEST," and be just a one way goal scorer, after literally just hitting 70 points, is crazy illogical talk. You basically took Pastrnak's great season at only 21, said "it's a fluke," downgraded him by 10-15 points (and you apparently think it's generous to only downgrade him that little since you said "at best"), and said that's probably what he's going to be from here on out. Landeskog isn't freakin Patrice Bergeron - he's a good two way player, but his non-offensive aspects of the game don't make up for the talent of Pastrnak. Your evaluation of what Pastrnak is...well, I don't even know how you justify that one. Joem has a completely fair argument about tying up money / investment in wingers, but I'm not spending more time on this one with you. Hopefully no poor Bruins fan wanders over here and sees post 875 and this.
I guess I will never understand why people want to build their team through the wings and happily tie up so much money there..
It never works but eh... They look fun I guess and score a lot of points?r
Avs have so many questionmarks on defense and even down the middle and in goal.
The last thing I have any interest in personally is giving up a ton of assets for wingers...
I don't understand what the Avs even have to do with this. WestJet is a Canadian airline. The troll job by the Avs twitter has taken new heights.
Ghetto wasn't a waiver pickup--the Avs traded for him (Martinsen went the other way). But yes, the other two were.
By no means should one ignore the waiver wire. One should always look at all available options to upgrade the roster. But I'm sick of the continual string of mediocre-to-bad stopgaps parading through here.
My point is, if the Avs really thought there was no chance whatsoever Duncan Siemens was NHL-caliber, they'd have cut him loose long ago. There was zero, absolutely ZERO reason not to call him up after the bottom dropped out in December. And while it's a ridiculously small sample size, he didn't look out of place during his oh-so-brief callup.
And I'm not sure why you're using Aggz and Grimaldi as your examples, if they end up being the callups either the Avs are banged up all to hell or the Rampage are. The first forward callup (assuming both Jost and Compher make the team out of camp) would be A.J. Greer (assuming he doesn't). The first defensive callup would likely be someone like Bigras, or Mironov, or even Lindholm if none of them make the team.
Those are all better options than what will likely be on the waiver wire here in a few weeks.