Rumor: Avs Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents 18-19 part XVII| Are We Sellers?

[CB Joe]

Is there any sort of rule that a prospect has to play so many regular season games before being eligible for the playoffs?

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

More interested in what they do with Makar. Is he inserted right into the Avs lineup or given more seasoning in the A once college is done?

I assume NHL.

 

[cgf]

Playing Kaut & Makar this season...and so having to protect them in the expansion draft...because we sat on our hands last summer; is exactly the kind of thing that causes me to gripe about a lack of proactivity.

 

[shadow1]

Playing Kaut & Makar this season...and so having to protect them in the expansion draft...because we sat on our hands last summer; is exactly the kind of thing that causes me to gripe about a lack of proactivity.

Makar/Kaut would have to play 25 NHL games this season for that to happen.

 

[cgf]

Makar/Kaut would have to play 25 NHL games this season for that to happen.

Or just 1

 

[Metallo]

Or just 1

There is a lot of confusion regarding that issue, is 1 game really the treshold for the xD?

 

[cgf]

There is a lot of confusion regarding that issue, is 1 game really the treshold for the xD?

It’s not clear, but it could be just 1 game for Makar.

 

[Metallo]

It’s not clear, but it could be just 1 game for Makar.

Ok, thanks.
I think it looks very bad on the NHL that these rules are not yet carved in stone. Teams have to make roster decisions now that can affect the xD. Amateurs.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I wonder if we could swap Jost+ for Zacha+. I like where Zacha is developing defensively

 

[Hasbro]

At the end of the 48 point season if someone told you the Avalanche in the 18-19 season would be in a playoff have the top line all flirting with 100 points, possibly the best prospect in hockey and a lottery pick in the hole, would anyone think that was not enough?

 

[cgf]

At the end of the 48 point season if someone told you the Avalanche in the 18-19 season would be in a playoff have the top line all flirting with 100 points, possibly the best prospect in hockey and a lottery pick in the hole, would anyone think that was not enough?

Things change with time.

 

[Avs425]

TFP Top 30 Trade Watch List has the Avs possible interested in:

RW Wayne Simmons (19 points)
RW Matts Zuccarello (16 points)
LW Ryan Dzingel (33 points)
RW Gustav Nyquist (39 points)
D Adam McQuaid (3 points - was injured for half of the season)

Now obviously just a rumours site and could mean nothing but maybe it's evidence enough that Joe is indeed looking to add up front if the price is right. I just don't think he will have a real itchy trigger finger this season.

 

[Eltuna]

I wonder if we could swap Jost+ for Zacha+. I like where Zacha is developing defensively

I’d be all over this but I don’t think NJ would.

 

[Hasbro]

Things change with time.

You wouldn't spend assets to get rentals in a tank year. Look at this as a tankette.

 

[Avs44]

I am disturbed seeing the Avs only interested in wingers now from Lebrun and TFP (if it's Pagnotta they're decent). Yeah they could use a decent winger, but by far the bigger need is figuring out the #2 centre spot. Much rather they concentrate their assets there, and I certainly don't want to see trade and perhaps eventual re-sign with the likes of Simmonds.

 

[JLo217]

Maybe Jost is the guy they expose...

 

[cgf]

You wouldn't spend assets to get rentals in a tank year. Look at this as a tankette.

I've never agrued for a rental this year...nor do I agree with it being a tankette...but we should be looking for longterm solutions that can be brought in before next season begins.

 

[Avsrule2022]

Kaut can play 9 NHL games this year and be safe from the XD. Not sure about Makar, but if things continue the way they are, his college season could last longer than the Avs season. Frozen Four is the weekend of the first NHL playoff games.

 

[UncleRisto]

I am disturbed seeing the Avs only interested in wingers now from Lebrun and TFP (if it's Pagnotta they're decent). Yeah they could use a decent winger, but by far the bigger need is figuring out the #2 centre spot. Much rather they concentrate their assets there, and I certainly don't want to see trade and perhaps eventual re-sign with the likes of Simmonds.

Should be rather clear that these reported players are readily available secondary scorers on rental deals. It has nothing to do with whether or not Sakic is looking for a top-end center. He can look all day.

 

[Pokecheque]

I think Sakic missed out on a decent stopgap in Jordan Weal. Dude is actually quite good defensively and desperately needed a change in scenery. PHI let him go for a sixth rounder and a minor leaguer, and the minor leaguer was only because AZ had to dump a contract in order to stay at the 50-contract limit. Fletcher just wanted him gone. Not saying the guy would magically solve all their problems but he'd be a much, much better option at 4C than Dries, and if he played well enough could've let Bednar finally break the anchor chains he currently has wrapped around Carl Soderberg.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I don’t hate Bednar’s usage of Soderberg as much as everyone else does. Yes Soderberg is a good hockey player and yes he’s arguably our best forward after the top line but Soderberg has never really made great use of his line mates. Soderberg has made an offensive career out of scoring off the rush or chipping in garbage in front. He’s really good at being an individual player and I don’t think his production changes much if he’s put with better hockey players.

 

[Pokecheque]

I don’t hate Bednar’s usage of Soderberg as much as everyone else does. Yes Soderberg is a good hockey player and yes he’s arguably our best forward after the top line but Soderberg has never really made great use of his line mates. Soderberg has made an offensive career out of scoring off the rush or chipping in garbage in front. He’s really good at being an individual player and I don’t think his production changes much if he’s put with better hockey players.

I think we've already seen snippets of how much better he is with linemates who can actually do something with the puck. While Nieto and Calvert are good at forcing turnovers and occasionally crashing the net, they don't have the offensive creativity to either put away the puck when it lands on their stick or get passes through traffic. Put a guy like Alex Kerfoot (who has had chemistry with Soda in the past) and/or Compher and I guarantee you'd see results over time you're not seeing now. The fact that he's producing with two offensively poor wingers shouldn't be an argument against something else.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I think we've already seen snippets of how much better he is with linemates who can actually do something with the puck. While Nieto and Calvert are good at forcing turnovers and occasionally crashing the net, they don't have the offensive creativity to either put away the puck when it lands on their stick or get passes through traffic. Put a guy like Alex Kerfoot (who has had chemistry with Soda in the past) and/or Compher and I guarantee you'd see results over time you're not seeing now. The fact that he's producing with two offensively poor wingers shouldn't be an argument against something else.

Soderberg since the start of last season.

With Calvert: 2.33 goals per 60
With Nieto: 2.09 goals per 60
With Compher: 1.1 goals per 60
With Kerfoot: 1.24 goals per 60.

So no, i dont agree that he’d produce better with the players you suggested. Your snippets you’ve seen aren’t showing on the scoreboard.


Edited because I had the numbers wrong.

 

[Metallo]

Is there any sort of rule that a prospect has to play so many regular season games before being eligible for the playoffs?

Not that I know of. Except maybe for Euros having to go through waivers (Forsberg’s rule).

 

[Metallo]

Soderberg since the start of last season.

With Calvert: 3.8 goals per 60
With Nieto: 2.28 goals per 60
With Compher: 2.05 goals per 60
With Kerfoot: 1.85 goals per 60.

So no, i dont agree that he’d produce better with the players you suggested. Your snippets you’ve seen aren’t showing on the scoreboard.

To me the difference between Nieto, Compher and Kerfoot is within the margin of error if we take into account sample size and usage.

I think it’s worth a try.