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Avs should trade for Erik Karlsson, William Karlsson and sign Carlson just to mess with McNabb's head
I think people have a misunderstanding of where the Avs are at as a franchise, and where Sakic views them to be. They're still a young team that's building for the future. They're not a Cup challenging team looking to make a sophomore their permanent 2c. They're looking to evaluate the young players they have, and where they might be able to slot in for the future. Jost is one of them.
There isn't really much difference between a Jost centered "2nd line" and a Soda centered "3rd line" unless one of them struggles, or one of them has success.
People are getting way too hung up on the title of 2C for Tyson Jost next year. If it puts people at ease just call him a 3C with the same line mates. There won't be much distinction between the 2nd line and the 3rd line next year, unless one of the lines separates themselves from the other.
Or he’s calling Jost what he is as of this moment—an extremely unproven prospect that hasn’t shown he’s ready to be a 2C.
Also, where did he say Jost was anything like Stewart/Wolski? They were only brought up to show that the Avs do, in fact, lose patience with players.
The point being made was that the Avs lose patience quickly, and 2019-20 could be a make or break year for Jost. The examples supporting that were Wolski and Stewart, and later Bigras, Bleakley, Everberg, Rendulic, Heard, Bourke, Smith, Hishon, Gaunce, etc.
The Avs lost patience in those players for reasons entirely different than Jost. Literally none of them are comparable.
Practically all of those players were given up on because they either lacked NHL ability, lacked work ethic, or walked away themselves. None of that applies to Jost.
Calling Jost a 2C is pretty close to a matter of semantics. Soda was a checking line last year, but was played like a 2nd line. The same will more or less be the case next year, unless Jost starts to establish himself.
It's not like Bednar is gonna tell Jost he's the 2C and Soda he's the 3C. Each line plays a different style, and has a different role. They'll each play a regular shift in the rotation until one of them separates themselves from the other. It's really not that big a deal.
Or he’s calling Jost what he is as of this moment—an extremely unproven prospect that hasn’t shown he’s ready to be a 2C.
Also, where did he say Jost was anything like Stewart/Wolski? They were only brought up to show that the Avs do, in fact, lose patience with players.
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The point was they lose patience, doesn’t matter the reason for each player, they lose it and move on at a certain point, and it’s a valid point in the matter of Jost. I say that because while he didn’t have a terrible rookie season, he showed nothing that says he’s ready for the 2C role. If the Avs force him into that role without him being ready, or with subpar linemates, then that’s really setting him behind the 8-ball; and given their track record of losing patience and giving up on players that don’t meet their expectations, it’s not something that’s completely out of the question.
Now, I’ve said my piece, I’m done here.
Jost has a much better work ethic than those other players, but should have stayed another season in College or sent to the AHL. Notwithstanding, I have the upmost confidence he will be at least a solid 3C with 2C potential.
Avs should trade for Erik Karlsson, William Karlsson and sign Carlson just to mess with McNabb's head
The inside guessers are hoping we'll get one next week.Now the offseason truly begins. Wonder how long we'll have to wait for the first trade?
LeBrun said 2 days ago that the Skinner trade could happen "within 7 to 10 days".
Well, we'll see. Dundon talked big about bringing in a GM...ended up bringing no one in.
While looking for Skinner rumors I came across a few quotes from Dundon:
"Either the players have to be tougher or you have to bring in tougher players," he said. "I'm easy, I'll take either one".
Dundon continued: “We will have to see when they get back [for training camp] if their bodies are bigger, stronger, faster and if their attitudes are consistent with what they told me they will be.”
Those are a couple of months old but it sounds like he's looking for toughness which is probably why they'd get rid of Skinner. If that's the case there will be no Kerfoot involved.
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Both Wolski and Stewart had decent success afterwards. Their flaws still came to light over time and the Avs weren’t wrong... they did lose patience.
I’d be careful on the Bennett/Jost thing. Bennett was a superior prospect and every season he has had in the NHL was superior to Jost’s. Especially just comparing rookie seasons. Just because Jost is still a pure prospect, doesn’t mean a similar path won’t happen.
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Jost. I say that because while he didn’t have a terrible rookie season, he showed nothing that says he’s ready for the 2C role. If the Avs force him into that role without him being ready, or with subpar linemates, then that’s really setting him behind the 8-ball;
Well, this really could be a chicken-egg thing. If he's not ready and they 100% throw him to the wolves, they could wreck his development. However, if they baby him and don't give him meaningful minutes at the position, he may not develop either. I can see a scenario on both ends of this, where Jost doesn't develop properly.
But again, this is why I believe Soderberg is a luxury to Colorado in regards to Jost's development. Not because Soderberg's the end-all of second line centers (he's not), but because he can fill that gap while Jost continues his development. I agree with your position that Jost didn't rise to the level of a NHL 2C last season. But if they don't play him, how will he ever have any chance of getting there?
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They need to put a quality NHL player on his wing. I'm not in favor of trying to develop Jost as 2C with Andrighetto and Compher on his wings.