TheDevilMadeMe
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I think you would have to cap the # of teams at 8, maybe 10, to make it workable.
ATD Chat Thread XVII
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I think you would have to cap the # of teams at 8, maybe 10, to make it workable.
VanIslander
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If your pick is stolen, you automatically are moved to the end of that round and pick when it's your turn there.
That way there is no waiting.
A
B
C
D
E
F
B steals A's pick, so A goes to the end.
Then C steals B's pick. So...
C - has A's pick (locked in cuz stolen twice)
D - is on the clock
E
F
A
B
That way there is no waiting.
A
B
C
D
E
F
B steals A's pick, so A goes to the end.
Then C steals B's pick. So...
C - has A's pick (locked in cuz stolen twice)
D - is on the clock
E
F
A
B
ResilientBeast
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They moved pretty quick, it obviously for our group couldn't be more than 10-12 people.
As TDMM said idea for a summer side draft
tinyzombies
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That won't build animosity at all lol. It does let you draft off of more knowledgeable GM's, which makes it more of a groupthink draft.
VanIslander
A 19-year ATDer on HfBoards
I am not a groupthink drafter.
So I REVEL at the opportunity to select passed-over talents!
So I REVEL at the opportunity to select passed-over talents!
tinyzombies
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Shouldn't we be taking advanced stats into account and not just award and AS finishes? A guy like Price would have a more accurate legacy if you did that, no?
Also, goaltending in the past was DEFINITELY not at the same level, but simply adjusting within the era does not really level that out, so current players like McDavid aren't really getting evaluated properly in the VsX, no?
Also, goaltending in the past was DEFINITELY not at the same level, but simply adjusting within the era does not really level that out, so current players like McDavid aren't really getting evaluated properly in the VsX, no?
Johnny Engine
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You'd have to present the stats that make your argument and let the readers be the judge, just like any other piece of information.
Maybe my least favourite thing about 2012-onward hockey discourse is the construction "the advanced stats say", because it doesn't mean much of anything at all, and can be used to put a numerical sheen on fuzzy reputation-based arguments, or just outright lie if you want to.
Everyone here understands GAA, Sv%, Wins and Shutouts as they relate to judging a goaltender. I don't think everyone here understands Goals Saved Above Expected, Quality Start Percentage, or any cooked up WAR formula out there. But I think most of us are smart enough to follow an argument based on those things if your terms are defined and your conclusions follow logically.
Without getting into it, I don't think the majority of the math wonks that pop up on my Twitter timeline buy into Price's reputation that much. But absent any actual metrics for me to present you with, that's no better than "the stats say".
The common thread between numbers-based research and quote-based research is that you have to do the work and present specifics, one way or another.
VanIslander
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Johnny Engine
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I believe this is what the man on the ground says in the video for Radiohead's "Just".
VanIslander
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VanIslander
A 19-year ATDer on HfBoards
The Edmonton Oilers board has an ATD going on.
Doug Harvey is 22nd.
Bobby Hull is undrafted.
Seriously.
Doug Harvey is 22nd.
Bobby Hull is undrafted.
Seriously.
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
tinyzombies
Registered User
Last three player polls for Price: 1, 1, 1.
Stats over the course of Price's entire career (2007-2020) renders:
SV% (GP, SP) 2007-2020:
Rask 536, .931
Rinne 657, .930
Luongo 627, .928
Price 682, .927
Lunqvist 764, .927
Crawford 486, .927
Bobrovsky 507, .927
Bishop 413, .926
HDSV% 2007-2020:
Hiller 404, .853
Crawford 486, .852
Lundqvist 764, .850
Bishop 413, .850
Bobrovsky 507, .848
Schneider 409, .848
Halak 504, .846
Rask 536, .837
Miller 651, .836
Dubnyk 520, .834
Varlamov 493, .834
Price 682, .834
Smith 587, .834
Luongo 627, .832
Quick 644, .832
Rush Attempts/GP 2007-2020:
Miller 651, 1.22
Rask 536, 1.18
Price 682, 1.13
Halak 504, 1.09
Bishop 413, 1.08
Holtby 468, 1.07
Rebound Attempts/GP 2007-2020:
Semyon Varlamov 493, 2.52
Sergei Bobrovsky 507, 2.29
Cam Ward 613, 2.29
Craig Anderson 587, 2.25
Braden Holtby 468, 2.15
Kari Lehtonen 539, 2.11
Marc-Andre Fleury 709, 2.06
Mike Smith 587, 2.03
Henrik Lundqvist 764, 1.96
Corey Crawford 486, 1.96
Antti Niemi 464, 1.96
Devan Dubnyk 520, 1.96
Carey Price 682, 1.95
Jonathan Quick 644, 1.95
Jonas Hiller 404, 1.94
Ondrej Pavelec 398, 1.91
Ben Bishop 413, 1.91
Jaroslav Halak 504, 1.91
GSAA Total/GP 2007-2020:
Rask .18
Rinne .14
Price .13563
Luongo .13573
Lundqvist .12
Crawford ..11
Bobrovsky ..11
Bishop .09
xGA Total/GP 2007-2020:
| Martin Brodeur | 375 | 512.16 | 1.36576 |
| Niklas Backstrom | 372 | 520.89 | 1.400242 |
| Miikka Kiprusoff | 390 | 562.76 | 1.442974 |
| Brian Elliott | 472 | 696.49 | 1.475614 |
| Tuukka Rask | 536 | 804.23 | 1.500429 |
| Ben Bishop | 413 | 627.28 | 1.518838 |
| Steve Mason | 476 | 731.71 | 1.537206 |
| Jonathan Quick | 644 | 993.68 | 1.542981 |
| Pekka Rinne | 657 | 1015.3 | 1.545358 |
| Cory Schneider | 409 | 636.35 | 1.555868 |
| Devan Dubnyk | 520 | 816.71 | 1.570596 |
| Roberto Luongo | 627 | 988.06 | 1.575853 |
| Antti Niemi | 464 | 731.25 | 1.57597 |
| Jimmy Howard | 539 | 849.91 | 1.576827 |
| Marc-Andre Fleury | 709 | 1120.27 | 1.580071 |
| Carey Price | 682 | 1094.05 | 1.604179 |
| Ilya Bryzgalov | 405 | 655.06 | 1.617432 |
| Ryan Miller | 651 | 1069.05 | 1.642166 |
| Kari Lehtonen | 539 | 888.99 | 1.649332 |
| Mike Smith | 587 | 977.47 | 1.665196 |
| Jonas Hiller | 404 | 676.29 | 1.673985 |
| Corey Crawford | 486 | 820.68 | 1.688642 |
| Braden Holtby | 468 | 793 | 1.694444 |
| Pittsburgh Penguins | 499 |
| Boston Bruins | 491 |
| Washington Capitals | 490 |
| Tampa Bay Lightning | 488 |
| St Louis Blues | 487 |
| New York Rangers | 453 |
| Chicago Blackhawks | 448 |
| San Jose Sharks | 448 |
| Nashville Predators | 445 |
| Anaheim Ducks | 445 |
| Philadelphia Flyers | 433 |
| Dallas Stars | 430 |
| Minnesota Wild | 428 |
| Los Angeles Kings | 420 |
| Montreal Canadiens | 419 |
| Calgary Flames | 416 |
| Columbus Blue Jackets | 414 |
| Vancouver Canucks | 414 |
| New York Islanders | 407 |
| Colorado Avalanche | 404 |
| Toronto Maple Leafs | 402 |
| Winnipeg Jets | 389 |
| Carolina Hurricanes | 388 |
| Florida Panthers | 382 |
| Detroit Red Wings | 371 |
| New Jersey Devils | 369 |
| Ottawa Senators | 367 |
| Edmonton Oilers | 352 |
| Buffalo Sabres | 333 |
| Arizona Coyotes | 223 |
| Vegas Golden Knights | 172 |
| Phoenix Coyotes | 143 |
| Atlanta Thrashers | 34 |
| Arizona Coyotes | 26402 |
| Winnipeg Jets | 33664 |
| Los Angeles Kings | 34355 |
| St Louis Blues | 34458 |
| New Jersey Devils | 34479 |
| Detroit Red Wings | 34968 |
| Tampa Bay Lightning | 35327 |
| Boston Bruins | 35574 |
| Pittsburgh Penguins | 35923 |
| Florida Panthers | 36565 |
| Nashville Predators | 36771 |
| Chicago Blackhawks | 36795 |
| Carolina Hurricanes | 36883 |
| Philadelphia Flyers | 36947 |
| San Jose Sharks | 36994 |
| Washington Capitals | 37034 |
| Columbus Blue Jackets | 37115 |
| Vancouver Canucks | 37182 |
| Montreal Canadiens | 37302 |
| Minnesota Wild | 37380 |
| Dallas Stars | 37561 |
| Calgary Flames | 37947 |
| Anaheim Ducks | 37981 |
| Colorado Avalanche | 38742 |
| Buffalo Sabres | 38757 |
| New York Rangers | 38950 |
| Edmonton Oilers | 39120 |
| Ottawa Senators | 39172 |
| New York Islanders | 39919 |
| Toronto Maple Leafs | 40334 |
| Arizona Coyotes | 13891 |
| Winnipeg Jets | 18230 |
| Los Angeles Kings | 18340 |
| St Louis Blues | 18351 |
| San Jose Sharks | 19034 |
| New Jersey Devils | 19111 |
| Tampa Bay Lightning | 19246 |
| Boston Bruins | 19361 |
| Pittsburgh Penguins | 19419 |
| Minnesota Wild | 19475 |
| Philadelphia Flyers | 19555 |
| Dallas Stars | 19583 |
| Washington Capitals | 19608 |
| Nashville Predators | 19764 |
| Calgary Flames | 19767 |
| Montreal Canadiens | 19802 |
| Detroit Red Wings | 19819 |
| Anaheim Ducks | 19837 |
| Carolina Hurricanes | 19890 |
| Columbus Blue Jackets | 20236 |
| Vancouver Canucks | 20465 |
| Florida Panthers | 20496 |
| New York Islanders | 20540 |
| New York Rangers | 20559 |
| Chicago Blackhawks | 20639 |
| Colorado Avalanche | 20786 |
| Edmonton Oilers | 20850 |
| Ottawa Senators | 21377 |
| Buffalo Sabres | 21412 |
| Toronto Maple Leafs | 21672 |
| Arizona Coyotes | 1052 |
| Winnipeg Jets | 1363 |
| Los Angeles Kings | 1386 |
| St Louis Blues | 1400 |
| San Jose Sharks | 1442 |
| New Jersey Devils | 1480 |
| Tampa Bay Lightning | 1489 |
| Boston Bruins | 1496 |
| Pittsburgh Penguins | 1498 |
| Minnesota Wild | 1505 |
| Philadelphia Flyers | 1512 |
| Dallas Stars | 1513 |
| Washington Capitals | 1521 |
| Nashville Predators | 1523 |
| Calgary Flames | 1551 |
| Montreal Canadiens | 1557 |
| Detroit Red Wings | 1567 |
| Anaheim Ducks | 1575 |
| Carolina Hurricanes | 1575 |
| Columbus Blue Jackets | 1584 |
| Vancouver Canucks | 1587 |
| Florida Panthers | 1602 |
| New York Islanders | 1650 |
| New York Rangers | 1654 |
| Chicago Blackhawks | 1667 |
| Colorado Avalanche | 1671 |
| Edmonton Oilers | 1686 |
| Ottawa Senators | 1726 |
| Buffalo Sabres | 1731 |
| Toronto Maple Leafs | 1764 |
| New York Islanders | 8077 |
| Chicago Blackhawks | 7580 |
| New York Rangers | 7944 |
| Edmonton Oilers | 7643 |
| Carolina Hurricanes | 7587 |
| Vancouver Canucks | 7315 |
| Anaheim Ducks | 7410 |
| Ottawa Senators | 7253 |
| Colorado Avalanche | 7178 |
| Toronto Maple Leafs | 7246 |
| Buffalo Sabres | 7170 |
| Florida Panthers | 6807 |
| Pittsburgh Penguins | 6732 |
| Detroit Red Wings | 6769 |
| Columbus Blue Jackets | 6688 |
| Washington Capitals | 7067 |
| San Jose Sharks | 6744 |
| Dallas Stars | 6893 |
| Calgary Flames | 6686 |
| Montreal Canadiens | 6815 |
| Philadelphia Flyers | 6627 |
| Tampa Bay Lightning | 6272 |
| Nashville Predators | 6312 |
| Winnipeg Jets | 6454 |
| St Louis Blues | 6232 |
| Boston Bruins | 6145 |
| New Jersey Devils | 5991 |
| Los Angeles Kings | 6259 |
| Minnesota Wild | 5852 |
| Arizona Coyotes | 4978 |
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ChiTownPhilly
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Well, seeing as how Bobby Hull-build teams are routinely taken out and shot around here...
ResilientBeast
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VanIslander
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ResilientBeast
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It seems like they're basing it all off peak which might help explain something....but not most of it
VanIslander
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tinyzombies
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ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
What an odd inclusion haha! I do like how Morenz basically put his arms slightly out to say, "yeah, I f***ed up".
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
tinyzombies
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ResilientBeast
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If I had to take a stab
1983 - 1909 - The Amateur Era, 1909 marks the NHA the first "high level" professional league
1909 - 1926 - The Split League Era
1926 - 1942 - Consolidation
1942 - 1967 - The Original Six
1967 - 1994 - The expansion era
1995 - 2005 - The Dead Puck Era
2005 - 2020 - The Modern Era
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
This is about spot on IMO.
Just need to switch that very first 9 and 8. Unless you've got a DeLorean and mad genius scientists w/ you!
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