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[Porter Stoutheart]

But to go to arbitration they have to make the QO first. And does the team still have the right to request arbitration or did that go away in the new deal?

Just read on a couple sites where it sounds like they can actually do the club-election without the QO, and that's where the 85% comes in. Without cracking open the CBA doc, though.

 

[NoNecksCurse]

Duchene for Laine?

Deal no take backs.

 

[herzausstein]

Deal no take backs.

Laine's Qualifying offer is 7.5M after 12G 12A 24P in 46 Games is rough but paying Duchene 8M for 5 more seasons after 6G 7A 13P in 34 Games is worse. Duchene and Laine are both questionable defensively so that's a wash. Definitely a win for Nashville. Worse comes to worse, Laine is gone after 1-2 years.

 

[LCPreds]

Would you prefer Duchene for Laine or Ellis for Laine? I feel like we have plenty of D depth and would be interesting to see how well both Joey and Duchene work out with an additional sniper type available across the 2 lines. All 3 (FF, Tolvanen, and Laine) are all very different as well.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Would you prefer Duchene for Laine or Ellis for Laine? I feel like we have plenty of D depth and would be interesting to see how well both Joey and Duchene work out with an additional sniper type available across the 2 lines. All 3 (FF, Tolvanen, and Laine) are all very different as well.

I mean, obviously Duchene for Laine. At least the HFThink is that Duchene is horrible and massively negative value. I don't think there is quite that perception yet of Ellis. We think we can get some very good solid positive value from trading Ellis, don't we? So if we had the choice, we'd trade Duchene for Laine, laugh at our outrageous good fortune, and then proceed to trade Ellis anyway in a separate deal.

 

[LCPreds]

I mean, obviously Duchene for Laine. At least the HFThink is that Duchene is horrible and massively negative value. I don't think there is quite that perception yet of Ellis. We think we can get some very good solid positive value from trading Ellis, don't we? So if we had the choice, we'd trade Duchene for Laine, laugh at our outrageous good fortune, and then proceed to trade Ellis anyway in a separate deal.

I mean if Ellis is as bad per $ as some think then I’m not sure why anyone would think he’s more valuable. Other than him being our own home grown asset.

I suppose we should also consider relative replacement value of both as part of the trade. I really don’t think Duchene is as bad as his stats this season.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I mean if Ellis is as bad per $ as some think then I’m not sure why anyone would think he’s more valuable. Other than him being our own home grown asset.

I suppose we should also consider relative replacement value of both as part of the trade. I really don’t think Duchene is as bad as his stats this season.

I don't think Duchene is as bad as his stats this season, but I also don't think he's better than his stats last season. And that's still not good value for 5x$8M. So either way his value gets knocked down. His replacement would pretty directly be Laine in this scenario. Or in a vacuum, Tomasino?

Ellis I think is secretly worse than his stats, but at least in theory carries some kind of "intangibles" leadership value? Carrier is directly his replacement for us.

Either way we're pretty well covered for replacements for either of these guys. But I suspect it's going to be tough to move their contracts in the current flat cap world. I would expose them both to Seattle as of today, anyway. But who know, maybe if we can get 20 playoff games out of them we can re-think some of those things.

 

[Armourboy]

I'd personally try and move Ellis and if I can't I'm exposing him, same for Duchene. I'm not losing better young talent for either of them.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

I think Ellis has more value around the league than he has for the Preds. He very replaceable with current prospects, still hasn't adjusted to the new system, and can't play the heavier style that is being played by the team. His lack of physicality is a glaring problem on the Preds that may not be such an issue on another team.

 

[PredsV82]

I think Ellis has more value around the league than he has for the Preds. He very replaceable with current prospects, still hasn't adjusted to the new system, and can't play the heavier style that is being played by the team. His lack of physicality is a glaring problem on the Preds that may not be such an issue on another team.

Ellis is definitely more suited for a Lavy type team. Poile really likes Ellis but I hope he can put feelings aside and do the smart thing.

 

[adsfan]

No to Eichel. Damaged goods

Yes! He is 24 and the Sabres hope to avoid neck surgery for Eichel. His career could be over.

Eichel neck injury rehab agreed upon by doctors, Sabres GM says

 

[Predsanddead24]

Didn’t realize Freddy Guadreau was playing for the Pens now but he just scored for them and apparently had 10 points in 19 regular season games.

 

[Armourboy]

Didn’t realize Freddy Guadreau was playing for the Pens now but he just scored for them and apparently had 10 points in 19 regular season games.

Yeah he's apparently been solid for them. He wasn't necessarily bad with us, he just wasn't good enough to keep around.

 

[Aardvarksson]

I too did not know that Freddy Hockey played for the Pens. Too bad the Preds let him walk.

 

[PredsV82]

I too did not know that Freddy Hockey played for the Pens. Too bad the Preds let him walk.

He couldnt beat out any of our current bottom 6 for a spot. If we still had him hed be on the taxi squad or in the AHL.

 

[Legionnaire11]

We could easily have kept Gaudreau and Blackwell, but then we don't have Jeannot and Olivier setting the tone for the turnaround with the Herd.

Those aren't guys that I wish we still had like a Seth Jones, rather they're guys that I'm happy to see getting an opportunity and succeeding elsewhere.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Think I'm rooting for the Cats here. Kucherov and Stamkos magically ready to go game 1 doesn't sit well with me, not that I like the Bolts all that much to begin with.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Think I'm rooting for the Cats here. Kucherov and Stamkos magically ready to go game 1 doesn't sit well with me, not that I like the Bolts all that much to begin with.

Whether or not Tampa Bay was doing shady stuff it is absurd that all of the sudden the salary cap doesn’t matter in the playoffs.

 

[Armourboy]

Poile needs to put Duchene and Joey on LTIR next year and go out and spend an extra 16 million in cap space.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Poile needs to put Duchene and Joey on LTIR next year and go out and spend an extra 16 million in cap space.

I think it can't exceed something like 10-15% of the cap, but I do think more teams will try to exploit it going forward. The Hawks did it with Kane several seasons ago, but he was injured later in the year, I think, and I'm not sure the amount they bled over the cap eventually was as egregious. I also don't remember that Kane was back game 1, but he may have.

 

[Armourboy]

I think it can't exceed something like 10-15% of the cap, but I do think more teams will try to exploit it going forward.

Well we know that's at least 9.5 million. Can still get 8 million in cap space.

 

[Armourboy]

This Florida/Tampa series reminds me of us and Anaheim. Whoever makes it out is gonna be mush for the next round.

 

[GoldOnGold]

I wish our offense looked like either of these teams'. So much skill and pressure.

 

[Armourboy]

I wish our offense looked like either of these teams'. So much skill and pressure.

Yeah but that defense though, yikes lol.

 

[drwpreds]

4 playoff games so far- 3 went to OT and the one that didn't was the best game so far (TB/Florida)

Not only that- there has yet to be a 2 goal deficit in any of the 4 games.

Pretty great stuff........