Around the League Thread | Post Free Agent Frenzy Edition

[VanillaCoke]

Kinda surprised how fast Dman salaries have escalated this offseason but on the bright side, OEL's deal looks a little less painful moving forward.

Nope its still top 5 worst in the league.

 

[4Twenty]

Those 2 are on their ufa deals. Can compare the likes of Jones to them and werenski.
DD was at $7 mill on a lower cap when he got contract 2. EK under $7 mill on his prior deal.
Does the $2 mill or so more that Makar got work out to a similar percentage of the cap when DD got his second contract?

Ever heard of Thomas Chabot?

What about Pernell Karl Subban?

 

[Pip]

Kinda surprised how fast Dman salaries have escalated this offseason but on the bright side, OEL's deal looks a little less painful moving forward.

In the same way the Marner deal made the Eriksson deal look better?

 

[krutovsdonut]

it may be a bias from watching him for years beforehand, but after watching nurse a lot this year i don't see him as a top tier dman worth that kind of money.

i seem to be losing touch with the market.

 

[EpochLink]

That much for Nurse huh? Jesus

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

it may be a bias from watching him for years beforehand, but after watching nurse a lot this year i don't see him as a top tier dman worth that kind of money.

i seem to be losing touch with the market.

Might have something to do with the fact he was heading into UFA years..but does he deserve more than Heskanen, or Makar.?.I don't think he's at their level.

 

[canuckking1]

Oilers we're unwilling to give Nurse low 7's long term 2 seasons ago and one performance in a 6 team league with an absurd shooting percentage got him paid.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Oilers we're unwilling to give Nurse low 7's long term 2 seasons ago and one performance in a 6 team league with an absurd shooting percentage got him paid.

extending that logic, perhaps teams are trying to extend players longterm right now on the assumption things are only going to get worse when the flat cap situation fades.

will nurse seem like a bargain in three years?

 

[F A N]

Oilers we're unwilling to give Nurse low 7's long term 2 seasons ago and one performance in a 6 team league with an absurd shooting percentage got him paid.

It's possible that there was a plan. The Oilers did previously sign Nurse to a deal that would have walked him right up to free agency. Usually teams don't do that on a short term deal with a star level player. Objectively speaking, are you not more comfortable with what Nurse is going forward today than in Feb. 2020?

 

[Diamonddog01]

Nurse is a hell of a lot better than Werenski so Edmonton doesn’t really have much of a choice here once that deal came through.

Probably should have gone long-term a couple years ago.

Could not disagree more.

 

[MS]

Could not disagree more.

Nurse was just 7th in Norris voting.

There is no planet where you could sign him to a smaller deal than what Werenski just got.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Nurse was just 7th in Norris voting.

There is no planet where you could sign him to a smaller deal than what Werenski just got.

Who cares about Norris voting? Werenski was offered more simply to stay in CJB imo and yes, unfortunately that affects the market as a whole. I'm not sure that means Nurse needs to get paid a similar amount however, especially I has completely disagree with your assessment that Nurse is way better than Werenski. Werenski is a better player imo. Will be very interesting to see how Nurse does moving forward - I expect a regression for both him personally and the Oilers as a team.

 

[MS]

Who cares about Norris voting? Werenski was offered more simply to stay in CJB imo and yes, unfortunately that affects the market as a whole. I'm not sure that means Nurse needs to get paid a similar amount however, especially I has completely disagree with your assessment that Nurse is way better than Werenski. Werenski is a better player imo. Will be very interesting to see how Nurse does moving forward - I expect a regression for both him personally and the Oilers as a team.

I'm pretty sure Nurse's agent cares about Norris voting. Nurse was clearly a top-10 defender in the league last year.

I am not a fan of Werenski at all and feel that Nurse is better at everything except PP utility. Others may obviously disagree.

Regardless, in terms of age/success Werenski is about the closest comparable you could possibly find. There was no way in hell Nurse was coming in at less than that once Werenski's deal was signed. Especially when he's agreeing to stay in a very undesirable market in Edmonton. And also I believe Nurse's deal buys an extra UFA year.

Edmonton will likely regress as a team this year mostly because their goaltending is horrific and Smith is unlikely to have another fluke outlier season at age 40.

 

[Killer Orcas]

In the same way the Marner deal made the Eriksson deal look better?

You know it but OEL actually will play not as a 7 million player but at least as a 5 million one. Eriksson looked like a league minimum bum.

 

[MS]

You know it but OEL actually will play not as a 7 million player but at least as a 5 million one. Eriksson looked like a league minimum bum.

OEL's career will have to do a complete 180 to be a $5 million player.

 

[VanillaCoke]

The Oilers have to bite the bullet and move koskinen, and find a cheaper backup to 60/40 with smith.

 

[Killer Orcas]

OEL's career will have to do a complete 180 to be a $5 million player.

We'll have to see but I'm hoping for the best and a slight bump for him. I don't like the contract myself but he's here now. Hopefully with less pressure and a better supporting cast he gains something from the last couple years. Pressure meaning from being the saviour in Arizona to just another player here. Fan pressure is another thing and I hope he's ready for that.

 

[Pip]

You know it but OEL actually will play not as a 7 million player but at least as a 5 million one. Eriksson looked like a league minimum bum.

Obviously we have the benefit of hindsight now but I think Eriksson had a better chance of living up to his contract than OEL.

 

[MS]

We'll have to see but I'm hoping for the best and a slight bump for him. I don't like the contract myself but he's here now. Hopefully with less pressure and a better supporting cast he gains something from the last couple years. Pressure meaning from being the saviour in Arizona to just another player here. Fan pressure is another thing and I hope he's ready for that.

The thing is, he wasn't 'asked to be the saviour' in Arizona last year. Or the year before.

Jakob Chychrun is the star #1 guy there and he's been carrying the mail in terms of the biggest ES/SH TOI for the last couple years. Goligoski was the #2.

Arizona was asking OEL to anchor a competent 2nd pairing as their #3 guy, and he got absolutely eviscerated. Right now this is a lazy, soft defensive liability who needs to have a huge turnaround to even be a $3.5 million solid 2nd pairing defender.

He actually has a *worse* supporting cast on the blueline here and will be asked to to *more* than he was doing in Arizona.

 

[Hammer79]

That contract will be up when he's 35, he'll be getting paid $9.5m a year for 4 post-prime years. Yikes.

 

[VanillaCoke]

We'll have to see but I'm hoping for the best and a slight bump for him. I don't like the contract myself but he's here now. Hopefully with less pressure and a better supporting cast he gains something from the last couple years. Pressure meaning from being the saviour in Arizona to just another player here. Fan pressure is another thing and I hope he's ready for that.

We really dont have to wait and see. All relevant information is readily available.

Hoping for a bounce-back is little more than juvenile rose colored glasses.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

The thing is, he wasn't 'asked to be the saviour' in Arizona last year. Or the year before.

Jakob Chychrun is the star #1 guy there and he's been carrying the mail in terms of the biggest ES/SH TOI for the last couple years. Goligoski was the #2.

Arizona was asking OEL to anchor a competent 2nd pairing as their #3 guy, and he got absolutely eviscerated. Right now this is a lazy, soft defensive liability who needs to have a huge turnaround to even be a $3.5 million solid 2nd pairing defender.

He actually has a *worse* supporting cast on the blueline here and will be asked to to *more* than he was doing in Arizona.

Didn't Benning say that he was brought in as a first pairing guy to take the pressure off of Hughes? That should debunk the "he won't have to be a #1 here" talk.

 

[Gstank]

The thing is, he wasn't 'asked to be the saviour' in Arizona last year. Or the year before.

Jakob Chychrun is the star #1 guy there and he's been carrying the mail in terms of the biggest ES/SH TOI for the last couple years. Goligoski was the #2.

Arizona was asking OEL to anchor a competent 2nd pairing as their #3 guy, and he got absolutely eviscerated. Right now this is a lazy, soft defensive liability who needs to have a huge turnaround to even be a $3.5 million solid 2nd pairing defender.

He actually has a *worse* supporting cast on the blueline here and will be asked to to *more* than he was doing in Arizona.

Big difference is he actually wants to be here not like Arizona..... I dont think he will be as bad as all your doom and gloomers think he will be. He was still on pace for a 40 point season on a very defensively minded Arizona team. But most importantly he shelters Hughes and Rathbone from getting eaten alive by every other teams top line. If last year taught us anything its that Hughes cant handle the big minutes and defensive responsibilities.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Big difference is he actually wants to be here not like Arizona..... I dont think he will be as bad as all your doom and gloomers think he will be. He was still on pace for a 40 point season on a very defensively minded Arizona team. But most importantly he shelters Hughes and Rathbone from getting eaten alive by every other teams top line. If last year taught us anything its that Hughes cant handle the big minutes and defensive responsibilities.

Oel cant handle big mins or defensive responsibilities either and will most likely get eaten alive too.

We're not playing in the North div anymore.

 

[Tables of Stats]

OEL's career will have to do a complete 180 to be a $5 million player.

Are we allowed to grade his play against Myers or...?