Around The League 2020-21 offseason part II

[TheUnseenHand]

Boychuk went the route of Hossa I see...

 

[The 29th Pick]

dang 4.8 is good for 3 years

 

[JrFischer54]

Is this market price below or above? For sergachev that is

 

[Devils731]

Is this market price below or above? For sergachev that is

I still don’t think anyone knows what the current market looks like.

Different teams will likely be impacted in different ways and no team actually knows what the impact will be yet.

 

[RyGuy]

Apparently the Sergachev contract is back loaded. He only makes 2.8 million or something next season and the 3rd year hes owed 7 million and change.

 

[Nubmer6]

Apparently the Sergachev contract is back loaded. He only makes 2.8 million or something next season and the 3rd year hes owed 7 million and change.

Ow. Doesn't that mean his next contract will start at 7M + 10%?

 

[Brodeur]

Ow. Doesn't that mean his next contract will start at 7M + 10%?

Canucks return to play nears, Jack Rathbone's status and the Judd Brackett thing

I missed the memo on this, but apparently this rule was tweaked in the new CBA/Memorandum of Understanding. Now it's going to be whatever is lower between:

A) The salary of the final year of contract (Sergachev's case = 7)
B) 120% of the AAV of the contract (Sergachev's case 1.2*4.8 = 5.76)

So Sergachev's QO will be 5.76 mil.

Deals that were signed before the new agreement will go by the old rules if I'm reading correctly. The Athletic writer even declared it the "Timo Meier Rule" since his QO will be 10 million.

 

[Guttersniped]

lol WHAT

There’s an Athletic article up. Boychuk had a call with reporters saying his playing career was over, because he can’t play, but he said he’s not retiring, since he would still like to get the millions contractually owed him, so if he’s going on some team’s LTIR permanently.

The article is more about him explaining how he he noticed the lack of peripheral vision in one eye in the three bubble playoffs including not seeing Matheson when he gave Boychuk a concussion with a hit in his first game of the qualifying round. He had got kicked in the eye with a skate in a game in March and received 90 stitches on his eyelid but they didn’t notice the damage to the eye then.

It’s not something that can heal I guess so that’s it. He played through it in the bubble because that’s the mentality for the playoffs but he can’t be a sitting duck for hits he can’t see coming and get more concussions.

This all sounds believable and not like an attempt to avoid playing in the AHL or circumvent the cap. Boychuk choked up a few times, I believe this is a sad thing for him, he did have a very gnarly eye injury, so it’s not some weird cover story even though I guess some people will call it “Robidas Island”.

Johnny Boychuk's Islanders career is over: 'It was a life choice'

 

[Triumph]

There’s an Athletic article up. Boychuk had a call with reporters saying his playing career was over, because he can’t play, but he said he’s not retiring, since he would still like to get the millions contractually owed him, so if he’s going on some team’s LTIR permanently.

The article is more about him explaining how he he noticed the lack of peripheral vision in one eye in the three bubble playoffs including not seeing Matheson when he gave Boychuk a concussion with a hit in his first game of the qualifying round. He had got kicked in the eye with a skate in a game in March and received 90 stitches on his eyelid but they didn’t notice the damage to the eye then.

It’s not something that can heal I guess so that’s it. He played through it in the bubble because that’s the mentality for the playoffs but he can’t be a sitting duck for hits he can’t see coming and get more concussions.

This all sounds believable and not like an attempt to avoid playing in the AHL or circumvent the cap. Boychuk choked up a few times, I believe this is a sad thing for him, he did have a very gnarly eye injury, so it’s not some weird cover story even though I guess some people will call it “Robidas Island”.

Johnny Boychuk's Islanders career is over: 'It was a life choice'

The sad truth is that pretty much every player after 15 pro seasons will have enough debilitating injuries that they can be declared unfit to play, regardless of whether or not they could take enough painkillers and go through enough pre-game stretches to continue their career. But I also think most guys would rather be out there playing than sitting and collecting a paycheck.

 

[Guttersniped]

Sergachev’s QO doesn’t matter. Kucherov and Vasilevskiy both got their 8 year/9.5m when their three year bridge deal ended and they were still RFAs.

Evolving Hockey actually has his three year deal at 4.27m but his value was always juiced by his potential future value rather than current points, minutes, etc. Sergachev was clearly pretty easy to negotiate with because both Point and Kucherov went into until training camp but this was always going to happen. Like Point, Sergachev wanted to stay on the best team in the NHL, or best situation if you want to add in taxes & winter weather, and then get his big long term deal after this bridge deal.

Cirelli and Cernak were always the only RFAs who might be moved out of desperation because they aren’t as important for the future. Cernak is cheaper and some ways a key player now in the sense that Tampa has nothing beyond the big three on defense but Cirelli is a much more productive and was one their top forwards in the regular season so neither is either is easy to lose though.

As good as Cirelli is they are paying it’s back to their excess of bigger forward contracts. If go you by Evolving Hockey Cirelli is up for more money, he’s listed at 4.489m for 3 years. Cernak is modeled at 3.693m for btw.

 

[Call Me Al]

there was zero chance sergachev was ever going to be the odd man out there

 

[NJDevs26]

there was zero chance sergachev was ever going to be the odd man out there

Yeah I never bought that hype that they'd have to move him either, although if they did I'd also conversely think it would be a red flag.

 

[tailfins]

So what do you offer for Killorn + Cernak?

 

[ScottyK]

Flyers just loaned out raffl. Hard to believe they do that if the season was starting any time soon

 

[Triumph]

Flyers just loaned out raffl. Hard to believe they do that if the season was starting any time soon

They're not starting January 1, but assuming they loaned Raffl to an Austrian team, it may just be a local team where he can get some game and practice time in.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Due to the NHL and NHLPA fighting it out over escrow, the season may start closer to February at a 48 game season. Read it in today’s NY Post.

 

[Darkauron]

Due to the NHL and NHLPA fighting it out over escrow, the season may start closer to February at a 48 game season. Read it in today’s NY Post.

Yep. Its a shit show

 

[Goptor]

Due to the NHL and NHLPA fighting it out over escrow, the season may start closer to February at a 48 game season. Read it in today’s NY Post.

Shame on you trusting Brooks to write actual info.

That being said, the timetable was this past week to get Europeans into the USA with a 2 week quarantine and a 3 week training camp. Jan 1st isn't happening.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

So what do you offer for Killorn + Cernak?

NYI 2nd round pick, Carrick (50% retained) or Walsh, one of McLeod/Boqvist/Merkley/Kuokkanen

 

[tailfins]

Shame on you trusting Brooks to write actual info.

That being said, the timetable was this past week to get Europeans into the USA with a 2 week quarantine and a 3 week training camp. Jan 1st isn't happening.

Brooks actually is pretty good with league and labor negotiation stuff. His columns are rarely just straight reporting, though, and instead always seems mixed with supposition, gossip, and opinion. But, if you sift through, the actual reporting is usually accurate.

That said, this is why I found it odd that the Devils recalled Boqvist.

 

[tailfins]

NYI 2nd round pick, Carrick (50% retained) or Walsh, one of McLeod/Boqvist/Merkley/Kuokkanen

I assume the best of that lot for Tampa is the 2nd, Walsh, and Boqvist. Interesting. I think Tampa can do better, but Tampa is also shipping out $7 million - $8 million in cap.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Shame on you trusting Brooks to write actual info.

That being said, the timetable was this past week to get Europeans into the USA with a 2 week quarantine and a 3 week training camp. Jan 1st isn't happening.

When it comes to league issues he’s mostly accurate on the subject. Do some research before making bold statement on something we has fans know nothing, until it’s reported like Brooks did. Unless you’re a league insider.

 

[My3Sons]

I assume the best of that lot for Tampa is the 2nd, Walsh, and Boqvist. Interesting. I think Tampa can do better, but Tampa is also shipping out $7 million - $8 million in cap.

It’s tricky to find a sweet spot. NJ is going to see Killorn as essentially a cap dump. He’s better than a dump but he pushes another young player off the roster and he is good but not good enough to really move the needle. If what’s his face on LV was traded for a third to a VAN team looking to compete I struggle to see Killorn being worth even that much and that’s to a contending team that would actually need and want him. Maybe BOS has cap and could use Killorn to make a difference immediately and they offer something substantial for both Killorn and Cernak? COL seems done and I’m not sure that many teams have enough cap and need for Killorn to pay a premium.

Just my thoughts but if something made sense for TB wouldn’t they have done it already? They couldn’t get Johnson moved for free and at some point they are going to have to add sweeteners or move guys they don’t want to. Not sure where Killorn fits their hierarchy.

 

[Camille the Eel]

The situation with the NFL beginning to have major Covid outbreaks in a couple more teams at once this week just makes it doubly clear that playing in a quarantined bubble is the sound way to conduct pro sports right now. Between the NHL’s and NBA’s late summer experience and this current NFL model, there’s just a clear choice. MLB managed this summer, I know, but times have got much worse epidemic wise.
It’s up to the league, ownership and the union to make it work. As it’s a question of keeping our sport alive through a tough patch, they should all be motivated.

 

[Darkauron]

The situation with the NFL beginning to have major Covid outbreaks in a couple more teams at once this week just makes it doubly clear that playing in a quarantined bubble is the sound way to conduct pro sports right now. Between the NHL’s and NBA’s late summer experience and this current NFL model, there’s just a clear choice. MLB managed this summer, I know, but times have got much worse epidemic wise.
It’s up to the league, ownership and the union to make it work. As it’s a question of keeping our sport alive through a tough patch, they should all be motivated.

Too bad the players and the owners dont want a bubble. If they have to play in a bubble, then there will not be a season