Around the League 2017-18

[Romang67]

Rumors are afloat ROR could be off to St. Louis

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/ror-deal-already-agreed-upon.2509555/

Good, Central division was pretty weak last season.

 

[HannuJ]

JT signs for 15 million for one year then the next year Leafs sign him for 80 million. Then Leafs trade Kadri.

and then Tavares gets injured while playing with the leafs or Babcock gives him the Matthews treatment and he doesn't get the ice time he thinks he deserves?
nah

 

[Romang67]

and then Tavares gets injured while playing with the leafs or Babcock gives him the Matthews treatment and he doesn't get the ice time he thinks he deserves?
nah

Personally, I would find it hilarious if Tavares signs that $15M first year deal, and then just does the exact same thing next off-season.

In fact, I kinda hope that happens. Bringing in a sweet $60M just signing those deals for the next 4 years, before getting a retirement contract.

 

[Maukkis]

Rumors are afloat ROR could be off to St. Louis

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/ror-deal-already-agreed-upon.2509555/

Not jealous. Like, at all.

Then again, this division clearly lacks 1Cs, so let's just slam O'Reilly and Hughes on top of the pile.

 

[Daximus]

Rumors are afloat ROR could be off to St. Louis

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/ror-deal-already-agreed-upon.2509555/

Whyyyyy? We just poached one of their centers.

 

[BigZ65]

Sheary and Hunwick to Buffalo for a conditional 4th.

Probably gives a decent indication of what someone like Perreault’s trade value would be.

 

[Whileee]

Sheary and Hunwick to Buffalo for a conditional 4th.

Probably gives a decent indication of what someone like Perreault’s trade value would be.

Perreault > Sheary
Mason > Hunwick

I'd be happy with Perreault + Mason vs. 2019 2nd round pick.

Jets clear out $8.2M in cap space, which would might give them space to sign Stastny. Thinking about it that way...

Perreault + Mason vs. Stastny + 2nd

 

[Maukkis]

Perreault > Sheary
Mason > Hunwick

I'd be happy with Perreault + Mason vs. 2019 2nd round pick.

Jets clear out $8.2M in cap space, which would might give them space to sign Stastny. Thinking about it that way...

Perreault + Mason vs. Stastny + 2nd

Is Stastny taking a one-year deal at 4m?

 

[tbcwpg]

Perreault > Sheary
Mason > Hunwick

I'd be happy with Perreault + Mason vs. 2019 2nd round pick.

Jets clear out $8.2M in cap space, which would might give them space to sign Stastny. Thinking about it that way...

Perreault + Mason vs. Stastny + 2nd

Mason has negative trade value right now. The Jets are needing to move the contract in this scenario and will therefore have to pay someone to take it, by including a valuable piece (Perreault gets there a bit but not a ton), or take a lower return.

I think Mason and Perreault get you a 3rd.

 

[Whileee]

Is Stastny taking a one-year deal at 4m?

Nope. The Jets would need to move more salary the following season (Myers and Kulikov, at the very least), and hope the salary cap gets another bump of $3M or so.

Overall, I have my doubts that Stastny would be worth it. I'm fairly optimistic that Roslovic is going to be a good 2/3 C.

 

[Maukkis]

Nope. The Jets would need to move more salary the following season (Myers and Kulikov, at the very least), and hope the salary cap gets another bump of $3M or so.

Overall, I have my doubts that Stastny would be worth it. I'm fairly optimistic that Roslovic is going to be a good 2/3 C.

Then it's a no. Stastny's not worth decimating our depth for.

 

[Gm0ney]

Personally, I would find it hilarious if Tavares signs that $15M first year deal, and then just does the exact same thing next off-season.

In fact, I kinda hope that happens. Bringing in a sweet $60M just signing those deals for the next 4 years, before getting a retirement contract.

You could certainly structure a 7 or 8 year deal to pay him $15M in each of the first couple of years. And it wouldn't backdive too significantly (a couple of years at $15M and then $11M/year for 5 years?).

 

[Whileee]

You could certainly structure a 7 or 8 year deal to pay him $15M in each of the first couple of years. And it wouldn't backdive too significantly (a couple of years at $15M and then $11M/year for 5 years?).

Sure, if you want to pay a cap hit of >$12M. The idea of a big 1-year contract is to then bring the cap hit down in a longer second contract - circumvent the cap that way.

 

[Gm0ney]

Sure, if you want to pay a cap hit of >$12M. The idea of a big 1-year contract is to then bring the cap hit down in a longer second contract - circumvent the cap that way.

Well, that's a good idea for the team offering the deal. Not sure what's in it for Tavares though...signing a 1 year deal is a big risk for him when offers are on the table for $96M (of which probably $89M is guaranteed with signing bonuses...even if it's all buyoutable salary and he gets bought out next summer, it's still $68M guaranteed).

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Perreault > Sheary
Mason > Hunwick

I'd be happy with Perreault + Mason vs. 2019 2nd round pick.

Jets clear out $8.2M in cap space, which would might give them space to sign Stastny. Thinking about it that way...

Perreault + Mason vs. Stastny + 2nd

Still doesn't give near enough space to sign Stastny unless it is for 1 year only and not too much $$$.

But that Pitt Buffalo trade says nothing about Perreault's value.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Mason has negative trade value right now. The Jets are needing to move the contract in this scenario and will therefore have to pay someone to take it, by including a valuable piece (Perreault gets there a bit but not a ton), or take a lower return.

I think Mason and Perreault get you a 3rd.

No thanks. No deal. There is nowhere near enough value in moving Mason to justify paying someone to take him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Sure, if you want to pay a cap hit of >$12M. The idea of a big 1-year contract is to then bring the cap hit down in a longer second contract - circumvent the cap that way.

But the whole idea falls apart when you realize he is a 12 mil player and the max is just a little more than 15. That first year is nowhere near enough incentive to get Tavares to go along. He isn't going to take that risk for a single payday of an extra 3 mil. You might be able to do something like that with a 7-8 mil player. Just maybe.

 

[robertocarlos]

Mason has negative trade value right now. The Jets are needing to move the contract in this scenario and will therefore have to pay someone to take it, by including a valuable piece (Perreault gets there a bit but not a ton), or take a lower return.

I think Mason and Perreault get you a 3rd.

What would the Jets have to give in terms of cash? 2 million?

 

[Adam da bomb]

But the whole idea falls apart when you realize he is a 12 mil player and the max is just a little more than 15. That first year is nowhere near enough incentive to get Tavares to go along. He isn't going to take that risk for a single payday of an extra 3 mil. You might be able to do something like that with a 7-8 mil player. Just maybe.

What if you dump Wheeler and give JT his money?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What if you dump Wheeler and give JT his money?

What does that have to do with this suggestion of a 1 year max salary contract for Tavares?

It is a change of subject but if you traded Wheeler you still have nowhere near enough for Tavares.

 

[tbcwpg]

What would the Jets have to give in terms of cash? 2 million?

You don't trade cash.

 

[HannuJ]

i don't understand how the Penguins have much success. well, i do, but, management that trades away Sheary in order to possibly sign Jack Johnson is Calgary-level bad

 

[mcpw]

i don't understand how the Penguins have much success. well, i do, but, management that trades away Sheary in order to possibly sign Jack Johnson is Calgary-level bad

They have a recent history of making very smart moves.

July 1, 2015[64]	To Toronto Maple Leafs Nick Spaling Kasperi Kapanen Scott Harrington Conditional 1st round pick in 2016 or       1st round pick in 2017 or       2nd round pick in 2017 3rd round pick in 2016	To Pittsburgh Penguins Phil Kessel[Note 1] Tim Erixon Tyler Biggs Conditional PIT's 2nd round pick in 2016 or       TOR's 2nd round pick in 2017
July 28, 2015[65]	To Vancouver Canucks Brandon Sutter BUF's 3rd round pick in 2016	To Pittsburgh Penguins Nick Bonino Adam Clendening ANA's 2nd round pick in 2016
December 14, 2015[66]	To Chicago Blackhawks Rob Scuderi[Note 2]	To Pittsburgh Penguins Trevor Daley
January 16, 2016[67]	To Anaheim Ducks David Perron Adam Clendening	To Pittsburgh Penguins Carl Hagelin
February 27, 2016[68]	To Edmonton Oilers 3rd round pick in 2016	To Pittsburgh Penguins Justin Schultz[Note 3]

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[HannuJ]

They have a recent history of making very smart moves.

July 1, 2015[64]	To Toronto Maple Leafs Nick Spaling Kasperi Kapanen Scott Harrington Conditional 1st round pick in 2016 or       1st round pick in 2017 or       2nd round pick in 2017 3rd round pick in 2016	To Pittsburgh Penguins Phil Kessel[Note 1] Tim Erixon Tyler Biggs Conditional PIT's 2nd round pick in 2016 or       TOR's 2nd round pick in 2017
July 28, 2015[65]	To Vancouver Canucks Brandon Sutter BUF's 3rd round pick in 2016	To Pittsburgh Penguins Nick Bonino Adam Clendening ANA's 2nd round pick in 2016
December 14, 2015[66]	To Chicago Blackhawks Rob Scuderi[Note 2]	To Pittsburgh Penguins Trevor Daley
January 16, 2016[67]	To Anaheim Ducks David Perron Adam Clendening	To Pittsburgh Penguins Carl Hagelin
February 27, 2016[68]	To Edmonton Oilers 3rd round pick in 2016	To Pittsburgh Penguins Justin Schultz[Note 3]

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

to be fair...3 of the trades were with idiot GMs. two are in the Western conference and the Leafs were overjoyed at the prospect of trading Kessel for pennies to the dollar. they also parlayed that 1st rnd pick to get the Anderssen, who i don't love, but his regular season #s last year were above average.

 

[Gm0ney]

to be fair...3 of the trades were with idiot GMs. two are in the Western conference and the Leafs were overjoyed at the prospect of trading Kessel for pennies to the dollar. they also parlayed that 1st rnd pick to get the Anderssen, who i don't love, but his regular season #s last year were above average.

Still smart of Pittsburgh to make those deals no matter how foolish the other GMs were or how it worked out for the other teams in the end. It worked out for Pittsburgh - 2 Cups aren't erased by Jack Johnson. And at, what, $3.5M AAV? It's approximately the Mark Stuart deal - which was still awful, but not crippling.