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  1. YWGinYYZ

    YWGinYYZ RIP Fugu

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    Continued from: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2353027

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    WerdnaG Registered User

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    A pretty ridiculous contract if you ask me.
     
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    Neuf Winterplague

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    Not sure what's better: a second mid-range contract and then a giant third "thank you" contract after some cups like Chicago did, or going straight to a giant "hopefully we get a cup out of you" contract a la Edmonton.
     
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    WerdnaG Registered User

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    Edmonton is going to have a hard time actually putting together a team good enough. Ask the Pens how that worked after Sid, Geno and Letang got their big contracts.
     
  5. CorgisPer60

    CorgisPer60 Barking at the net

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    They seemed to do well lately. Helps to have good depth and prospects that you can plug in. Basically, the new model is you pay your top players what they're worth, then you fill in the holes with cheap, but effective depth. It either forces you to identify and exploit market inefficiencies (Justin Schultz), or really focus on draft and develop. Look at who their best players were outside of Sid, Geno, and Kessel that came up through the WBS Pengs: Sheary, Rust, Kuhnhackl, Murray, and Guentzel. That's just in the last 3 seasons. That's fairly impressive.
     
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    Their bigger problem contracts are Lucic and Russell.

    Klefbom is a great contract, but they need Larsson to play at a good top pairing level, too.
     
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    It also helps that Genos and Sids cap hits are the same as they were in '10 and the cap has gone up since then.
     
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    Totally agree. Those two guys take up ten million in cap space.
     
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    Neuf Winterplague

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    Heading towards Pareto? 80% goes to the 20%
     
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    CorgisPer60 Barking at the net

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    That's a fair point. They had relatively large cap hits relative to the cap at the time, but the cab has been largely stagnant since the Jets entered the league.
     
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    Aavco Cup "I can make you cry in this room"

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    17/18 $75.0M
    16/17 $73.0M
    15/16 $71.4M
    14/15 $69.0M
    13/14 $64.3M
    12/13 $60.0M (teams could spend to $70.2M)
    11/12 $64.3M

    *17/18 would have been $77M-ish if the full 5% escalator had been used. It would have been $84M-ish with the formula before the lockout.
     
  12. Guerzy

    Guerzy Thank you Fugu ϶(°o°)ϵ

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    I remember coming out of the 2004-05 lockout the salary cap was 39 million. :laugh:
     
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    Aavco Cup "I can make you cry in this room"

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    Draisaitl replacement? :sarcasm:

     
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    Puckatron 3000 Glitchy Prototype

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    Naah. The Oilers just realized they have a 1 year window to contend before McD's contract screws them. ;)
     
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    The cap ceiling rose quickly in the first few years - almost half of all cap growth since the $39M cap ceiling was established in 2005-06 took place in the following three years. Since then it's been growing at around 4%-5% per season, but it's really flattened out recently - the last 3 seasons have averaged < 3% growth. It'll be interesting to see if Vegas gives things a boost.
     
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    nobody important the pessimist returns

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    Would he really leave Southampton for this mess? I would find that extremely maddening if he did.
     
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    Lempo on the Pu wagon Sponsor

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    They are collecting Laine's other wingers from the NT. They already got Pulju, and now this.
     
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    Hasn't Southampton just gone through some changes that might have encouraged him to leave? New owners? I don't remember exactly.
     
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    Some of the slowing has been due to the declining value of the CDN$

    The agreement with the NHLPA says the addition of Vegas cannot impact the salary cap negatively. If it is a net positive then it can impact the cap. Not sure how long that runs for.
     
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    This ^ Correct me if I'm wrong but for a few years there didnt Pittsburgh have alot of problems finding actual good players to fill out their roster? Had Neal (who worked with Malkin) and i believe one of the reasons they traded him was they knew with how their cap looked then they wouldnt be able to afford to pay what he could get on the open market.

    They have built up their depth now but they had a few years of seemingly having a patchwork team around Crosby and Malkin.
     
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    The team was basically carried by the big four for awhile there. Now they have filled out the roster with decent depth...and would you look at that, two cups in a row.
     
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    Daximus Aces Charles

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    I think Sid an Letang's injuries played a pretty big role. Also MAF had a few bad years in the playoffs there. I think a big part of their rise is a healthy Sid playing in his prime, the new cheap depth and obviously Matt Murray coming in and saving them from having to ride MAF all playoffs. I think if Murray didn't come in an close the door on Ottawa they likely don't get past them. Heck even Kessel coming in and rocking their third line to new heights was probably a solid move too.
     
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    Aavco Cup "I can make you cry in this room"

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    Buff and Bogo together again....WTF is Bogo doing in Minny during the summer anyway?



     
  24. mcpw

    mcpw WPG

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    FLA projected forwards:

    Huberdeau - Barkov - Dadonov
    Haapala - Trocheck - Vrbata
    Hawryluk/Malgin - Bjugstad - Mamin
    Sceviour - MacKenzie - Haley

    this is a franchise that imploded



    MTL 2015 pre-deadline D depth chart:

    Markov-Subban
    Emelin-Gonchar
    Beaulieu-Gilbert
    Tinordi-Weaver
    Allen-Pateryn

    MTL 2017 July D depth chart:

    Alzner-Weber
    Schlemko-Petry
    Davidson-Benn
    Jerabek-Redmond
    Morrow-Juulsen

    That's a purge.
     
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    Two of the biggest ?? in the league -- what the heck are they doing. If Mont had the offence to make up for that deficit that would be one thing but now that they have let Radulov walk, and with zip at C, Price better be dang good or they are taking a major nosedive.
     
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