Around Hockey XXIII (All Non-Jackets Hockey talk in here)

[LoneFunyan]

A lot of WPG fans were banking on an injury accounting for some/all of his struggles this season.

A "weird" year with lots of change and lack of cohesion and stuff is all fair as a rationale for a down year, but there were times in WPG where his level of engagement was questioned/questionable. That is completely within his ability to control and is not impacted by "weird year". He may not understand the system or have good chemistry with his line mates yet, but he can still play hard.

You could argue that getting what he wanted - traded away from the CBJ - should have reinvigorated him, but to most accounts on the WPG board, he struggled such that most seemed convinced he was walking wounded.

Totally speculative: I wonder if he's one of those types of guys who's really good at the sport he plays, but ultimately isn't all that interested in it and would prefer to be doing something else.

 

[DJA]

Totally speculative: I wonder if he's one of those types of guys who's really good at the sport he plays, but ultimately isn't all that interested in it and would prefer to be doing something else.

I think you're on to something here - especially considering his comments about "PLD the hockey player vs PLD the person" after the trade

 

[rotsbu]

I'm gonna say the winner of Vegas/ Avs/ Montreal has a decent chance of beating TB. I agree that TB is stacked and Vas is so good, but I'm not willing to concede that the NYI won't beat TB.

I expect Tampa will beat the NYI, but I feel like the Isles have been significantly underappreciated. I was pretty incredulous seeing media predications like 4-1 Boston for the last series.

 

[majormajor]

A lot of WPG fans were banking on an injury accounting for some/all of his struggles this season.

A "weird" year with lots of change and lack of cohesion and stuff is all fair as a rationale for a down year, but there were times in WPG where his level of engagement was questioned/questionable. That is completely within his ability to control and is not impacted by "weird year". He may not understand the system or have good chemistry with his line mates yet, but he can still play hard.

You could argue that getting what he wanted - traded away from the CBJ - should have reinvigorated him, but to most accounts on the WPG board, he struggled such that most seemed convinced he was walking wounded.

Totally speculative: I wonder if he's one of those types of guys who's really good at the sport he plays, but ultimately isn't all that interested in it and would prefer to be doing something else.

This kind of drop off is really strange if he wasn't injured. He seemed to have no power at all. Friedman just said on his carcast that a Jackets teammate of Dubois' called him and said that Dubois had to be injured, that there was no other explanation.

 

[majormajor]

Yup - the entire point is that Stone only wanted to go to Vegas in the long run. Pietrangelo only wanted to go to LV. And some gibbering moron on the net with a check mark beside his Twitter profile wants to make it into "LOL it's easy to get great players you just have to try".

Yes. I give Vegas a ton of credit for building a winner and a great environment in the first couple years. But they're not getting extra credit for getting Stone and Pietrangelo to sign, just like I'm not giving the Rangers credit for getting Panarin, Trouba, and Fox. They insisted on going there!

 

[JetsFan815]

A lot of WPG fans were banking on an injury accounting for some/all of his struggles this season.

A "weird" year with lots of change and lack of cohesion and stuff is all fair as a rationale for a down year, but there were times in WPG where his level of engagement was questioned/questionable. That is completely within his ability to control and is not impacted by "weird year". He may not understand the system or have good chemistry with his line mates yet, but he can still play hard.

You could argue that getting what he wanted - traded away from the CBJ - should have reinvigorated him, but to most accounts on the WPG board, he struggled such that most seemed convinced he was walking wounded.

Totally speculative: I wonder if he's one of those types of guys who's really good at the sport he plays, but ultimately isn't all that interested in it and would prefer to be doing something else.

He was solid in his first 20 or so games with the Jets... was giving what I expected- providing solid 2 way play, being physical while being on pace for ~55-60 point season.

He was complete trash the last couple dozen games at the end. I don't know what the problem is- I never bought the injury thing. All we can do is hope he is better next season and can be a serviceable 2C.

 

[Speedy Sanderson]

Never thought Roslovic would have the best season of the three players in the trade.

 

[koteka]

I expect Tampa will beat the NYI, but I feel like the Isles have been significantly underappreciated. I was pretty incredulous seeing media predications like 4-1 Boston for the last series.

I thought they would miss Anders Lee more. I mean he is about a 30 goal 50 point guy and their captain.

 

[majormajor]

He was solid in his first 20 or so games with the Jets... was giving what I expected- providing solid 2 way play, being physical while being on pace for ~55-60 point season.

He was complete trash the last couple dozen games at the end. I don't know what the problem is- I never bought the injury thing. All we can do is hope he is better next season and can be a serviceable 2C.

It's weird. Something seems very amiss. He seems like a much weaker player. He never played so badly as a Jacket.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Let’s gooo Colorado

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Only Tampa can stop this Vegas team. So go Bolts

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

Not in 2021. Blue Jackets all over that game score sheet: goals by Nick Holden, Keegan Kolesar, Wild Bill.. assists to Jonathon Marchesault - & Flower at 36 is 5th on the all time playoff wins list.. 3 behind the legend Grant Fuhr???? & the Avs are actually man for man a better team.

That was the best series of hockey I have seen in a long time. both teams played their asses off.

 

[Jovavic]

F Vegas.

Sounds like PLD has mono or something that zaps your energy, but I agree that he might be one of those guys with a questionable compete/desire/passion level that we seem to gather (him, Zherdev, Nash, Johansen) that seem to only play the game because they found they were good at it at a young age.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I know I’m supposed to hate Vegas and I want to but I think they’re my second choice among the remaining teams, after the Habs.

I've never cared for the Isle, and my appreciation for guys like Beauvillier and Nelson (and Lee) is more than balanced by my feelings for Martin, Clutterbuck and Mayfield.

And I just can’t warm to Tampa for some reason. I pulled for the in the Finals last year but I just don’t like many guys on that team besides Palat and Point and sometimes Hedman.

 

[Jovavic]

Do you hate Savard? He's why Bolts are number one for me

 

[DJA]

Despise every remaining team other than Tampa. So, go Tampa.

 

[Jovavic]

I don't hate the Isles and I wouldn't mind seeing Trotz get another one so soon after Washington casted him out after winning their's. The other two teams can go kick rocks though.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

F Vegas.

Sounds like PLD has mono or something that zaps your energy, but I agree that he might be one of those guys with a questionable compete/desire/passion level that we seem to gather (him, Zherdev, Nash, Johansen) that seem to only play the game because they found they were good at it at a young age.

We had a guy win the Calder Trophy with mono so I’m going to go with the motivation perspective. He didn’t have Torts foot up his ass any longer and he just didn’t seem that self motivated when he was here.

 

[Jive Pawnbroker]

I'm rooting for the Isles - they are what I had hoped the Jackets would have turned out to be.

Tampa is a distant second just for Savard getting a chance to raise the Cup.

 

[OldGoaltender]

I'm rooting for the Isles - they are what I had hoped the Jackets would have turned out to be.

Tampa is a distant second just for Savard getting a chance to raise the Cup.

I am on the Islanders bandwagon too. I still have hopes that we can imitate them.

 

[MAHJ71]

I'm rooting for the Isles - they are what I had hoped the Jackets would have turned out to be.

Tampa is a distant second just for Savard getting a chance to raise the Cup.

Basically this…

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Do you hate Savard? He's why Bolts are number one for me

I’m good with Savard. If they win that will be my consolation.

 

[majormajor]

This player doesn't deserve any more Stanley Cups, or any Stanley Cups at all.



f*** Tampa.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Let's go Islanders!!

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Go Tampa. For savard and to unseat Vegas