Speculation: Armchair GM Thread II: What did the goalie say to the puck?
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I was looking at the main forum, it appears Wild fans want not only the stars, but the moon and the sun as well.
There's discussion with Habs fans where it's like, 'Let's start at Suzuki'.
Once someone mentions the starting point being a top prospect, I'm like, 'uhhh.'
In reality? Cost controlled for another year at a good cap hit. 26 years old (27 at year end), Career high 56 points on the Wild (important production factor). We can use the McDonaugh trade as framework, because he had a year left on his deal too.
Coyle is the lesser player, for sure, but the return for McDonaugh was: A first, a conditional 2nd, 2 B level prospects.
I assume you'd take out the conditional 2nd and one of the B level prospects, maybe replace with a B- or C+ type prospect.
Something like:
Calgary's 2019 1st round pick, Matthew Philips & D'Artagnan Joly
The first is the value, Philips is a longshot; but has a chance. Joly seems to have stalled in junior, but could maybe carve out a professional career somewhere.
Ya, the Rangers were also going the heavy retool/rebuild route, which plays a big factor in the type of return. I don’t think the Wild are looking for that. I think a deal for Coyle starts with Bennett and probably includes Philips + 2nd/3rd or just Bennett + late 1st. It’d have to be a hockey trade, as opposed to a rebuild trade.
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Plus Howden is a much better prospect than most people seem to think. Tampa fans had him at the top of their pool, and his production in the NHL this year isn't anything to scoff at.
Exactly, and it’s a similar situation to Hamonic, where as the contract itself holds a lot of value. $3.2 million for a young 40-50 point player is getting harder and harder to find these days.
Say we lost Bennett+ for Coyle
Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindhom
Tkachuk-Backlund-Coyle
That'd be pretty freakin awesome.
Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindhom
Tkachuk-Backlund-Coyle
That'd be pretty freakin awesome.
Kranix
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I'd hold on to Bennett+ because he's going to be better than Coyle.
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Yeah those are the trades you only look back on fondly if you have a cup to catch your tears.
Kranix
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Because I don't want to sell off everything. Coyle is a fine upgrade and addresses multiple needs.
What exactly makes you think that, because he was selected 4th overall? He’s currently on pace for 24 points, his worst season yet, despite having much better linemates and some powerplay time. He’s got terrible hands and still often looks lost out there. Rarely in the right spot, at the right time. I’d swear “The Waterboy” and Matthew Lombardi had a son ....... named him Sam.
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Those terrible hands that scored 4 goals in a game? Ya definitely...
Neal must have terrible hands too - he's on pace for 16 points this year.
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Dack
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I've given up on Bennett long ago...
He shows signs that he could break out and then never realizes them, if he continues at his pace he's going to have his 3rd straight 26 point or lower season. That's low end 3rd liner scoring and he has spent like 10 games on the 2nd line.
He's an energy player until his hands are no longer cement
He shows signs that he could break out and then never realizes them, if he continues at his pace he's going to have his 3rd straight 26 point or lower season. That's low end 3rd liner scoring and he has spent like 10 games on the 2nd line.
He's an energy player until his hands are no longer cement
What should the analysis read? Works hard, plays physical, goes to the net but can bury chances? That’s the same analysis as any 4th line plug in the NHL. Every line has produced better without him.
I wanted the kid to be good soooo bad, but he just doesn’t have it. The only agenda is to win a Stanley Cup and avoid overpaying based on former draft position.
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While Sparky is over the top perhaps, he's not entirely wrong either.
I also am not sure why you point at the 4 goal game Janks as 100% proof. First goal of that game was a good one, but nothing fancy on his part. Hudler set him up for an easy one timer in a highdanger spot. Second one Backlund draws all the defenders, he gets completely free in the slot and loses the puck and it happens to go in. Third one was a garbage goal, albeit roofed really well. Fourth one was the prettiest of the bunch, and some really nice skill I will absolutely give, but in almost all those plays the Panthers defense was dog shit.
I just don't like using 1 game out of his career to override a lot of the problems in his other 272 games (not that the problems were true in all of those either). As I've pointed out before, by that logic Sam Gagner is a clear first liner because he scored 8 points in a game once.
Neal at least you can point to shooting percentage and hope that stabilizes a bit. 4% right now with a career average of 12%.
I also am not sure why you point at the 4 goal game Janks as 100% proof. First goal of that game was a good one, but nothing fancy on his part. Hudler set him up for an easy one timer in a highdanger spot. Second one Backlund draws all the defenders, he gets completely free in the slot and loses the puck and it happens to go in. Third one was a garbage goal, albeit roofed really well. Fourth one was the prettiest of the bunch, and some really nice skill I will absolutely give, but in almost all those plays the Panthers defense was dog shit.
I just don't like using 1 game out of his career to override a lot of the problems in his other 272 games (not that the problems were true in all of those either). As I've pointed out before, by that logic Sam Gagner is a clear first liner because he scored 8 points in a game once.
Neal at least you can point to shooting percentage and hope that stabilizes a bit. 4% right now with a career average of 12%.
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Tkachuk Norris
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Maybe... if by better you mean does absolutely nothing on odd man rushes or takes more stupid penalties
The thing that really bothers me about Bennett, is that when he plays a simple dump and chase game he’s quite effective. However, he just tries to dangle guys and ends up turning it over all the time, and when he does get through he doesn’t score...
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Yeah, when he was effective earlier this season he was making the simple pass, not overcomplicating things. He kept the play moving.
Now he's not getting shots on net, trying too many toe-drags. On the RW he stops skating and kinda parks himself in front of the net waiting for a rebound, which contributes to the play breaking down in the O-zone. It's frustrating to watch because he's better than that
That being said, Tkachuk's play at even strength has been vastly overrated all season. When the top line goes pointless, we get a glimpse into what this team would be like without Gaudreau and it's not pretty. Backlund's wrist had also completely neutered his offensive contribtuions all season long. Outside of that Boston and Colorado home game, can you really say that second line's won us any games?
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Off topic but I was wondering if we would try Tkachuk at center. Now before you crucify me I’m not even personally sold on this idea but for the basis of discussion here’s my reasoning
Why it might work:
-He’s a really cerebral player, thinks the game at a high level, great positioning, great down low and great at winning his 1v1 battles
Why it probably wouldn’t:
-Maybe too slow? Never played center at a high level
I just look at a guy like Domi who the Habs threw down the middle and was able to find success and can’t help but wonder. With a healthy Backlund our center depth would be unreal. Run something like
Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Tkachuk-Neal
Bennett-Backlund-Frolik
Czarnik-Janko-Ryan
Completely hypothetical and unnecessary but there is no game today so
Why it might work:
-He’s a really cerebral player, thinks the game at a high level, great positioning, great down low and great at winning his 1v1 battles
Why it probably wouldn’t:
-Maybe too slow? Never played center at a high level
I just look at a guy like Domi who the Habs threw down the middle and was able to find success and can’t help but wonder. With a healthy Backlund our center depth would be unreal. Run something like
Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Tkachuk-Neal
Bennett-Backlund-Frolik
Czarnik-Janko-Ryan
Completely hypothetical and unnecessary but there is no game today so
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