Value of: Anthony DeAngelo

[5cotland]

No offence but you are significantly undervaluing several players here. Johnsson and Kapanen are excellent 2way play driving wingers signed to excellent contracts. Both have value at 5v5, pp, as well as PK. They're strong second line players by any metric.

I am not undervaluing them. They are not as valuable in the trade market as DeAngelo.

They are actually quite heavily over-valued by a lot of Leafs fans on HFB.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

I am not undervaluing them. They are not as valuable in the trade market as DeAngelo.

They are actually quite heavily over-valued by a lot of Leafs fans on HFB.

DeAngelo gives up everything he generates on offense back defensively and more. In what world is that type of player very valuable?

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

I am not undervaluing them. They are not as valuable in the trade market as DeAngelo.

They are actually quite heavily over-valued by a lot of Leafs fans on HFB.

2019/2020
xGF%: 47.14%
SCF%: 45.84%
HDCF%: 47.92%
PDO: 1.027
OZone Start %: 57%

He's heavily sheltered, gets outchanced quite heavily when on the ice (as I said so many times, can't play defense), and is also riding an unsustainable PDO. If there was ever the definition of pump-and-dump, this guy would be the guy. Which is why I can't understand how he's worth anything more than a sheltered PP specialist #5 defenseman.

 

[simon IC]

I know it's a small sample size, but after watching tonight's game against the Rangers, it was very apparent how much they need a solid, two way defensive defenseman. (Or even two!) As DeAngelo and Fox are very similar, and play the same side, wouldn't it make sense to move one of them?

 

[n8]

Provided with no context. I was just curious about the list since in the recent broadcast, they were saying how rare the feat was:

Active players who have recorded 5 point games

• Tony Deangelo 2020
• Dan Hamhuis 2004
• Ryan Pulock 2018
• Tyson Barrie 2018
• Kris Letang 2015
• Roman Josi 2018

Active players who have recorded 4 point games (3 goals 1 assist)

• Dustin Byfuglien 2007
  
• PK Subban 2011
• Brent Burns 2013
• Jaccob Slavin 2017
• Jay Bouwmeester 2007
• Dustin Byfuglien 2008
• Mike Green 2009

Active players who have recorded 4 point games (2 goals 2 assists)

• Mike Green 2011
• Erik Karlsson 2012
• Roman Josi 2013
• Kris Letang 2014
• John Klingberg 2015
• Tyson Barrie 2016
• Radko Gudas 2016
• Kevin Shattenkirk 2016
• TJ Brodie 2017
• Victor Hedman 2018
• Torey Krug 2018

Active players who have recorded 4 point games (1 goal 3 assists) - i stopped here...

 

[Petrus]

Maybe i,m overvaluing Sandin but he is a LHD stud which we need , ADA and a 3rd ( we do not have a 2nd) to Leafs? You have to give to get.

Leafs need a defensive first RHD.

Sandin cannot be traded as the prospect depth is weaker on defense and his ELC years are needed to manage the cap.

Toronto is much stronger at forward position. A team that has a defensive RHD and would like to acquire young cost controlled forwards would be the perfect partner for Toronto.

Toronto and NY are not good trading partners.

 

[Breakers]

Which state has the cheapest possible taxes

This guy has complained about taxes on twitter numerous times.

 

[egelband]

I believe DeAngelo was unwilling to sign long term because he wanted to do exactly what hes doing now - proves hes worth more than they were offering. Part of the reason why hes so cheap this year is because he took the long term option off the table.

Interesting. I hadn't heard that. Have you got a source? Just wondering as the topic was discussed heavily on the Rangers board but I don't remember his unwillingness to discuss a long term deal being mentioned.

 

[TGWL]

23 year old kids hate making millions of dollars.

Imagine thinking it's that easy for teams to acquire talent.

 

[TGWL]

Maybe, but the Devils 2nd round pick was, I believe 38th overall, only 7 picks behind the 1st round. That might have been appealing, and I thought they kept Namestnikov until they were sure Strome would work on Panarin's line.

July 1st was after that draft... it would have been 2020, and after Devils made a splash in the offseason. Most probably expected the 2nd at the time to be later.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Andreas jonhson and bracco for ad and a 5th

If you want to trade for DeAngelo, it’s going to cost you a lot more than spare parts.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The Leafs wouldn't want someone of DeAngelo's character with the organization. Nevermind the horrible defensive play.

You seem to know the guy, so why don’t you elaborate on his character?

His defense isn’t horrible. You clearly don’t watch him play very much, if you think that.

 

[bernmeister]

something around
Deangelo + Rangers 2021 2nd
for
Canes 2020 + TML 2020 1sts

 

[NYR Viper]

Fun fact, all of those are positive relative to the rest of the team except for the Zone start% and PDO. Do your research next time

Why do research or give background on stays when they show exactly what you’re trying to show? Rule number one of stats backed arguments on this entire site

 

[The S5]

DeAngelo gives up everything he generates on offense back defensively and more. In what world is that type of player very valuable?

In the same world that Morgan Rielly is very valuable.

 

[barr7622]

2019/2020
xGF%: 47.14%
SCF%: 45.84%
HDCF%: 47.92%
PDO: 1.027
OZone Start %: 57%

He's heavily sheltered, gets outchanced quite heavily when on the ice (as I said so many times, can't play defense), and is also riding an unsustainable PDO. If there was ever the definition of pump-and-dump, this guy would be the guy. Which is why I can't understand how he's worth anything more than a sheltered PP specialist #5 defenseman.

His relative GF% and xGF% are positive on a bad team though. I've looked at the relationship between offensive zone start % and CF%, SCF%, xGF% and it's pretty weak. I think the Rangers have no reason to trade him and they probably won't get an offer that makes them want to.

 

[Lays]

DeAngelo gives up everything he generates on offense back defensively and more. In what world is that type of player very valuable?

No he doesn’t

 

[VoluntaryDom]

If we trade ADA, I want a first pairing LHD coming back.

DeAngelo is our best defensemen. I'd much rather move Trouba. I'd also move Fox before ADA, as well.

nah fox>>deangelo

 

[Shootertooter]

nah fox>>deangelo

I think the likelihood is Fox plays with a more sound partner.
That might make him look better defensively. The Rangers shouldn't be thinking of moving ADA.
There are other trades to make.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

I don't see how he prices himself out unless he is asking for somehting even arbitration is going to laugh at. You get rid of krieder and strome long before ADA.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

the actual concern is his defense but even then its not terrible enough to make him not a great #3 dman. fox better doeeee. but for example, deangelo profiles similarly (slightly better offensively and slightly worse defensively) to chabot.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

the actual concern is his defense but even then its not terrible enough to make him not a great #3 dman. fox better doeeee. but for example, deangelo profiles similarly (slightly better offensively and slightly worse defensively) to chabot.
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With all due respect, how many games have you watched this season? I only see you citing stats to give this opinion that Fox is so much better than DeAngelo.

 

[doomscroll]

With all due respect, how many games have you watched this season? I only see you citing stats to give this opinion that Fox is so much better than DeAngelo.

You don’t need to watch games when you can look at rate charts.

 

[Blue Blooded]

The Leafs wouldn't want someone of DeAngelo's character with the organization. Nevermind the horrible defensive play.

You know that Dubas, with Keefe as his coach, traded for DeAngelo when his "character issues" were much more recent than they are now?

He is one of the most popular guys in the Rangers' locker room right now and Strome called him "one of the best teammates I've ever had", so whatever issues there might have been they are irrelevant now.

That said, I'm more than happy to not see the Leafs trade for DeAngelo as I would very much like to keep him.

 

[Blackjack]

July 1st was after that draft... it would have been 2020, and after Devils made a splash in the offseason. Most probably expected the 2nd at the time to be later.

You're right about that. I remembered that they couldn't sign an offer sheet because they didn't have their second rounder, but I forgot it was because their 2020 2nd round pick was gone, not 2019.