Rumor: Andrei Markov's Agent Has Contacted Habs (Looking for $2M Contract)

[Edgy]

You brought the word "every" out there. Your mess.

Figure of speech. Common practice. Up to the reader to discern the difference.

Usually not a problem, unless you're evading the question.

 

[Hfbsux]

Figure of speech. Common practice. Up to the reader to discern the difference.

Usually not a problem, unless you're evading the question.

I'm sure he'll answer the question. But the "figure of speach" you used is a fallacy. The fallacy in question is named "false dilemma". "If you haven't watch every game, you can't have an accurate opinion on him", which is a false dilemma.

 

[Andrei79]

You asked me if I’ve seen every AK-BARS game. Every. Game.

I’ve seen some yes, why would I need to see every game? How is this difficult to understand?

Do you need to see every single game a player plays to make an assessment?

Did you ? Why didn't you comment on any of them at all then, either this year or last year ? I watched both Kazan and Traktor last year, posted about both and don't recall you ever mentioning anything at all. I remember talking with Habs76 about Azevedo and Kravtsov, he was basically the only other poster following the playoffs. It's not like the opportunities didn't present themselves, he regularly gets brought up and you're a regular here. Markov didn't look as good this year, and I wouldnt bring him back, but he only played 4 KHL playoff games, in any case. So, how many could you have seen ?

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

There is no fanbase more nostalgic then Habs fans...

There was still threads asking if they should bring back Alex Kovalev 3yrs ago when he was playing in the Swiss B league lol

Guarantee 15 years from now when people will be creating threads to bring 44 year old Subban out of retirement to play his 500th game as a Hab.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Did you ? Why didn't you comment on any of them at all then, either this year or last year ? I watched both Kazan and Traktor last year, posted about both and don't recall you ever mentioning anything at all. I remember talking with Habs76 about Azevedo and Kravtsov, he was basically the only other poster following the playoffs. It's not like the opportunities didn't present themselves, he regularly gets brought up and you're a regular here. Markov didn't look as good this year, and I wouldnt bring him back, but he only played 4 KHL playoff games, in any case. So, how many could you have seen ?

Makes sense

 

[peate]

Get over it guys, you know damn well as long as MB is in charge, it ain't happening.

 

[Edgy]

I'm sure he'll answer the question. But the "figure of speach" you used is a fallacy. The fallacy in question is named "false dilemma". "If you haven't watch every game, you can't have an accurate opinion on him", which is a false dilemma.

No, it's a figure of speech. Hyperbole ,to be specific, in which exaggerated terms for the purpose of emphasis or heightened effect are used.

In this case, "every game" meant a large enough sample to form an educated opinion.

 

[Hfbsux]

No, it's a figure of speech. Hyperbole ,to be specific, in which exaggerated terms for the purpose of emphasis or heightened effect are used.

In this case, "every game" meant a large enough sample to form an educated opinion.

That's fair. In an hyperbole, the context that was exaggerated is often "obviously untrue" (example: we were dying of hunger waiting in line). I thought your original post wasn't that obvious, but it's all good!

 

[Kriss E]

You don’t see the issue because you haven’t seen old man marky play.

Whether I have or not is irrelevant as what I did definitely see plenty of is the rotating crap we've had on the bottom pairs over the past 2 seasons. Benn, Alzner, Reilly and the likes. I'll take old man Markov even on one leg. At least I can hope for him to be useful for us on the PP. The other guys bring absolutely f***ing nothing.
And spare me the ''Benn was better last season'' rhetoric. He sucked and will keep sucking. Just a filler.


Again, I'm not strongly suggesting we need to bring back Markov. I'm saying if it's him vs the crap we've had over the past 2 years, I'll take him every day of the week.

 

[Kriss E]

Did you ? Why didn't you comment on any of them at all then, either this year or last year ? I watched both Kazan and Traktor last year, posted about both and don't recall you ever mentioning anything at all. I remember talking with Habs76 about Azevedo and Kravtsov, he was basically the only other poster following the playoffs. It's not like the opportunities didn't present themselves, he regularly gets brought up and you're a regular here. Markov didn't look as good this year, and I wouldnt bring him back, but he only played 4 KHL playoff games, in any case. So, how many could you have seen ?

Because he obviously didn't watch any. Maybe at most, he caught a few highlights.
Just a classic case of HF poster trying to pump up their arguments by lying.

 

[Kriss E]

There is no fanbase more nostalgic then Habs fans...

There was still threads asking if they should bring back Alex Kovalev 3yrs ago when he was playing in the Swiss B league lol

I don't think this has anything to do with nostalgia honestly.
I believe it's more a testament on the lack of skills/replacements brought forth by management.

Take Kovalev, heck, there was a thread about bringing back A.Kost! Those crazy suggestions were posted here because the team sucks balls. If we had some serious talent and fighting for the cup, I don't think it anybody would bring it up. We are just so desperate to see some display of talent that people bring up some that were part of us before.

Same with Markov now. Ya, he might be done now, but when we have guys like Folin, Reilly, or Schlemko...who cares. I'd rather take a chance on him.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Because he obviously didn't watch any. Maybe at most, he caught a few highlights.
Just a classic case of HF poster trying to pump up their arguments by lying.

Well you’ve certainly proven that you

A- Didn’t watch him
B- Don’t know what you’re talking about in more ways than one.

Well done!

Whether I have or not is irrelevant as what I did definitely see plenty of is the rotating crap we've had on the bottom pairs over the past 2 seasons. Benn, Alzner, Reilly and the likes. I'll take old man Markov even on one leg. At least I can hope for him to be useful for us on the PP. The other guys bring absolutely ****ing nothing.
And spare me the ''Benn was better last season'' rhetoric. He sucked and will keep sucking. Just a filler.


Again, I'm not strongly suggesting we need to bring back Markov. I'm saying if it's him vs the crap we've had over the past 2 years, I'll take him every day of the week.

Whether you have or not watched him is the only thing you can base your argument on.

Benn was and is better than Markov could hope to be on the bottom pairing. The bottom pairing last year was actually quite good believe it or not.

Did you also not watch habs games on top of not watching any of Markov’s recent performances?

 

[417]

I don't think this has anything to do with nostalgia honestly.
I believe it's more a testament on the lack of skills/replacements brought forth by management.

Take Kovalev, heck, there was a thread about bringing back A.Kost! Those crazy suggestions were posted here because the team sucks balls. If we had some serious talent and fighting for the cup, I don't think it anybody would bring it up. We are just so desperate to see some display of talent that people bring up some that were part of us before.

Same with Markov now. Ya, he might be done now, but when we have guys like Folin, Reilly, or Schlemko...who cares. I'd rather take a chance on him.

I consider myself to have been Markov's biggest fan while he was a Hab...and for me that ship has long sailed.

But part of me would love to see him come back to get 1000 games.

I don't want to see him play in another NHL jersey.

 

[26Mats]

I consider myself to have been Markov's biggest fan while he was a Hab...and for me that ship has long sailed.

But part of me would love to see him come back to get 1000 games.

I don't want to see him play in another NHL jersey.

We need help on the pp, but I can't see having him in the lineup being better than Chiarot or Kulak. Would he want to be an injury replacememt press-box guy? Highly unlikely.

Do we even want to put Mike Reilly or Folin on waivers to make room for the little time Markov may have left?

 

[Kriss E]

I consider myself to have been Markov's biggest fan while he was a Hab...and for me that ship has long sailed.

But part of me would love to see him come back to get 1000 games.

I don't want to see him play in another NHL jersey.

Again, when I compare him to what we've had, I dont mind taking a gamble on him.
Plus if he works out well as a vet specialist on bottom pair, we can trade him for assets by deadline.
No different than taking a chance on Semin, Kassian, Flash, Weise, and all the other ones we have over the years.

 

[Kriss E]

Well you’ve certainly proven that you

A- Didn’t watch him
B- Don’t know what you’re talking about in more ways than one.

Well done!



Whether you have or not watched him is the only thing you can base your argument on.

Benn was and is better than Markov could hope to be on the bottom pairing. The bottom pairing last year was actually quite good believe it or not.

Did you also not watch habs games on top of not watching any of Markov’s recent performances?

You've never seen Markov used as a specialist on the bottom pair, so you couldn't know either.
So the question is would you want to find out. Considering the shit we've had there the past two seasons, I dont have a problem with it.

 

[417]

Again, when I compare him to what we've had, I dont mind taking a gamble on him.
Plus if he works out well as a vet specialist on bottom pair, we can trade him for assets by deadline.
No different than taking a chance on Semin, Kassian, Flash, Weise, and all the other ones we have over the years.

I just honestly don't know how much he has left...

I know his game has always been based on superior hockey sense and anticipation, but his last year with the Habs, even that seemed a step slow.

I didn't watch him in the KHL the last 2yrs but that seems like an awful long time to be away from the NHL to come back and make an impact, even in a limited role.

Also, I just don't know how much room there is on an NHL roster for a specialist PP Dman.

 

[Edgy]

Benn was and is better than Markov could hope to be on the bottom pairing.

Jordie freakin Benn WAS Better than Markov?

At no point in Markov's career (AHL, NHL or KHL) or post career or if he's in a wheelchair being pushed around the rink will Benn be able to compare, let alone be called better.

 

[Kriss E]

I just honestly don't know how much he has left...

I know his game has always been based on superior hockey sense and anticipation, but his last year with the Habs, even that seemed a step slow.

I didn't watch him in the KHL the last 2yrs but that seems like an awful long time to be away from the NHL to come back and make an impact, even in a limited role.

Also, I just don't know how much room there is on an NHL roster for a specialist PP Dman.

Again though, that was using him as a top pairing guy.

Reduce his ice time, cut all his PK off. Let's see how that impacts him.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Jordie freakin Benn WAS Better than Markov?

At no point in Markov's career (AHL, NHL or KHL) or post career or if he's in a wheelchair being pushed around the rink will Benn be able to compare, let alone be called better.

Methinks you’re being purposefully difficult. Hate to break it to you but at this point I’d rather play Mccarron than Luc Robitaille. That’s how these things work.

 

[Runner77]

Get over it guys, you know damn well as long as MB is in charge, it ain't happening.

/thread

 

[Kriss E]

Methinks you’re being purposefully difficult. Hate to break it to you but at this point I’d rather play Mccarron than Luc Robitaille. That’s how these things work.

Well that explains it...you think Markov is a 53yo going on just about 15 years of retirement..

 

[viceroy]

Sign him to a 1 mil in salary + 1 mil in bonus(41 games or 20pts). Easy peasy, he can't hack it? Send him to the AHL and he doesn't cost us a dime(roughly) on the cap. Most probably he doesn't accept the demotion and we do a mutual contract termination no fuss no muss. Maybe he can still play decent he get his 1000th game and makes everyone happy and that makes Bergevin look better. You see, all win.

But Bergevin probably won't do that. 50% too proud and 50% too stupid.

 

[viceroy]

Read my post again. And we’re both wrong. 8-9-10 who cares? He’s long overstayed his welcome.

Overstayed? You think he shouldn't have played his last season 2016-17 with us? Sure it ended weakly, what can I say we overrode him as we always seemed to do, but 36pts in 62 games is still solid.

I’ve seen several AK Bars games because I was a huge fan of Marky. Playoff games as well.

Calling shenanigans.

Did you ? Why didn't you comment on any of them at all then, either this year or last year ? Markov didn't look as good this year, and I wouldnt bring him back, but he only played 4 KHL playoff games, in any case. So, how many could you have seen ?

Yeah I don't believe him either.

Anywho, the Habs are VERY weak on the left side on D for now. I love Mete and truly believe he will turn out into a solid 2nd pairing guy for us but no way no how should he have been our best LD since last year at the age of 19. For chrissakes it's like some fans would be embarassed that a 40yr old Markov might show up our present roster of substandard LD's.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Overstayed? You think he shouldn't have played his last season 2016-17 with us? Sure it ended weakly, what can I say we overrode him as we always seemed to do, but 36pts in 62 games is still solid.



Calling shenanigans.

Join the club!

Why is it unbelievable for me to watch khl games?