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I've posted about this before but I really think the Borg is content with the journeymen goalies and won't go big game hunting until that doesn't work out. So far it has
My guess for goaltending is that the Canes will stick with the status quo, unless Holtby's UFA drags out past Day 1 and slowly becomes a potential value add. Then I could see them making some changes. I don't see them moving out Skjei or Gardiner until the Expansion Draft. I actually see them going 8-1 and protecting Aho/Turbo/Svech/Hamilton/Slavin/Pesce/Bean/Fleury (or Geekie, depending if his offense is for real or if he's like Poehling next year)/Nedeljkovic, with Staal waiving his NMC. That would set up a pick swap with Francis at the Expansion Draft in exchange for one of Skjei or Gardiner, likely the former IMO.
* All Clubs must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the Expansion Draft:
i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.
ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.
iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.
Helvig will count because of pro experience.Can the Canes protect Ned in that scenario? Everything I've seen says the rules are same as the Vegas draft, which means Carolina would need a goalie under contract who is eligible for the draft:
Would Helvig count as an expansion draft eligible goalie with a qualifying offer? It sounds possible; there are no NHL game minimums on the goalie.
I don't see where Gardiner fits moving forward. They dropped a high pick on Skjei, who carries a $5.25 mil AAV. Fleury looked as if he was taking a step before the suspension of the season. He should be very cheap to extend for at least another season or two. Bean's also in the mix as a callup or regular, if they can make 4 LHD work, and he's on his ELC.
Reallocating that cap/salary elsewhere, probably via an undesirable contract swap, is the efficient move. The writing is on the wall to me.
I mean either way I see us basically telling Ronnie "We're going to leave Skjei and Gardner unprotected, take the one we want you to and we'll send a 2nd your way as well" and that being that. I figure he'll have no qualms about getting paid a 2nd to add a top 4 dman regardless of if we go 8-1 or 7-3-1.My guess for goaltending is that the Canes will stick with the status quo, unless Holtby's UFA drags out past Day 1 and slowly becomes a potential value add. Then I could see them making some changes. I don't see them moving out Skjei or Gardiner until the Expansion Draft. I actually see them going 8-1 and protecting Aho/Turbo/Svech/Hamilton/Slavin/Pesce/Bean/Fleury (or Geekie, depending if his offense is for real or if he's like Poehling next year)/Nedeljkovic, with Staal waiving his NMC. That would set up a pick swap with Francis at the Expansion Draft in exchange for one of Skjei or Gardiner, likely the former IMO.
I mean either way I see us basically telling Ronnie "We're going to leave Skjei and Gardner unprotected, take the one we want you to and we'll send a 2nd your way as well" and that being that. I figure he'll have no qualms about getting paid a 2nd to add a top 4 dman regardless of if we go 8-1 or 7-3-1.
I think we need a reset of last off-season. Gardiner, Dzingel, and then a goalie need to go. To be fair, if it is Reimer they trade the original trade was still masterful. We have already started that process with removing Haula and bringing in Skjei. Basically our core guys getting older got us to playoff contention and Necas. The additions were hardly additions.I don't see where Gardiner fits moving forward. They dropped a high pick on Skjei, who carries a $5.25 mil AAV. Fleury looked as if he was taking a step before the suspension of the season. He should be very cheap to extend for at least another season or two. Bean's also in the mix as a callup or regular, if they can make 4 LHD work, and he's on his ELC.
Reallocating that cap/salary elsewhere, probably via an undesirable contract swap, is the efficient move. The writing is on the wall to me.
I think we need a reset of last off-season. Gardiner, Dzingel, and then a goalie need to go. To be fair, if it is Reimer they trade the original trade was still masterful. We have already started that process with removing Haula and bringing in Skjei. Basically our core guys getting older got us to playoff contention and Necas. The additions were hardly additions.
Subtracting that 12 million of cap space and adding in another cheaper goalie (Murray / Allen) with Foegele’s and Fleury’s extensions should allow us to absorb a Bozak / Bjugstad type bad contract to make the trade work while having more than enough space for performance bonuses.
I think that going 8-1 rather than 7-3-1 lowers the pick compensation required in a pretty drastic manner, which is why I think that they're going to go that route unless Staal refuses to waive his NMC. Our most valuable expansion pieces, as far as contracts are concerned, are on defense (namely Fleury and Bean), and it isn't really close. That may change if Geekie really kills it this season, but besides that, the smart protection scheme should be 3 forwards and 5 defensemen.
Disagree on all fronts. They should keep Gardiner and Dzingel. Dzingel gives some cheap scoring help for one more season and he can be let go later on. I have said this before, and I will say it again, but I think that Skjei was acquired for both short-term help (at least) and the expansion draft. Gardiner's game was rebounding in February before COVID-19 paused the season, and I want to see more before I throw him under the bus.
I think Dzingel was rarely used in a role that was beneficial to him. He was really hot early in the year when Haula and Necas were playing well. Haula died and Necas hit his rookie woes, and Dzingel wasn't put in great spots for long periods of time after that. I don't think he was that bad defensively to bury him either personally.
Your point is a good one.A 1st for a rental+1 Top 4 is fair value. Maybe you can make the argument that this team wasn't in the competitive position to make that type of trade. However, there is another dimension to the move that needs to be considered: if Skjei is exposed and selected, Bean and Fleury stay. That costs an asset otherwise.
Gardiner. Look if Skjei was acquired for a 1st rounder in the deepest draft in a long time just to be expansion draft fodder, heads should roll. That is utter mismanagement of assets.
The value of assets are different.Again, I don't see that as the case. Coleman, Goodrow, among others, were rental+1 players that were dealt for 1st rounders, and Tampa even included Nolan Foote, their 1st rounder from last year, as part of the deal. The asking price for Brodin was a lot higher than that, and he was a Rental+1 as well. To be able to do that, protect Fleury/Bean, and be able to keep their D-core strong if Francis poaches one of our guys is a pretty nice deal to make on Carolina's end.
The value of assets are different.
TB, like Toronto, has cap issues and used their most valuable asset to alleviate the issue. In TB’s case they wanted a player who can contribute for very little instead of Toronto who wanted cap space.
Also, I am not arguing Skjei’s value. I am arguing that you don’t trade a 1st for Skjei to make him expansion draft fodder. Especially when it is to protect Fleury and Bean. Fleury’s value isnt a first rounder. Bean may, big may, get a very late first.
Doesn’t seem like asset management.