Prospect Info: All-Purpose Prospect Thread v11.0: The D Man Cometh

[Blue Liner]

The comment I really liked and it gave good insight to how they are developing Boqvist was where Soupy was talking about how Kane would find him when he was cutting far side but the puck stayed on the near board. This is long term development thinking because you don't want him to stop reading plays like he is just because he current teammates can pull them off. If stops making these reads it lessens what made him a high end talent, his mind. Boqvist was the long play in the draft but I think he was 100% the right choice.

Also LOL at Corey P saying his skating is a 55.

Yeah, this is not good evaluation by Mr. Pronman.

 

[BK]

Yeah, this is not good evaluation by Mr. Pronman.

He is normally pretty good but I think he couldn't rate him higher or he would over take Hughes is total eval points (tin foil hat off).

 

[Kurtosis]

What’s the max? And what do you think he should be rated?

 

[BK]

What’s the max? And what do you think he should be rated?

80 is the max. 20-80, similar to baseball I believe.

Boqvist is right around a 65 skater. I guess if you are grumpy you could round down to 60 but he is a really good skater. Hughes is a 70 by Corey P but I think he might even be better than that.

Quinn Hughes, D, Vancouver
Age: 19
Drafted: Seventh overall in 2018
Previous ranking: 7
Skating: 70
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 65

Adam Boqvist, D, Chicago
Age: 18 | Drafted: Eighth overall in 2018
Previous ranking: 25
Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 70

Puck skills should be a 65 as well for Boqvist as he has an high end shot when Hughes has a weak shot. Bow are really good stick handlers and passers.

I would rate them like this.

Quinn Hughes, D, Vancouver
Age: 19
Skating: 75
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 65

Adam Boqvist, D, Chicago
Age: 18
Skating: 65
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 70

Note: Both end up at 235 (which makes sense because they are 2a/2b out of the D from that draft to me).

 

[Blue Liner]

80 is the max. 20-80, similar to baseball I believe.

Boqvist is right around a 65 skater. I guess if you are grumpy you could round down to 60 but he is a really good skater. Hughes is a 70 by Corey P but I think he might even be better than that.

I'd be curious to see who he'd consider an 80, or does that not actually exist?

 

[BK]

I'd be curious to see who he'd consider an 80, or does that not actually exist?

I am a fan of the 20-80 scale, borrowed from baseball. The 20-80 range represents three standard deviations from the mean, a grade of 50. A grade of 50 means the skill projects as NHL average in that category, 55 is above average, 60 is top 33 percent, 70 is top 10 percent, 80 is one of the best. A 45 is below average, 40 is fringe NHL level. A 20 is beer league level. Given how a normal distribution usually looks, most grades are within the 40-60 range. I only make note of a shot grade when a player stands out in that regard.

I love how he uses the baseball scale.

 

[Blue Liner]

So an 80 skater would be McDavid, basically.

 

[BK]

So an 80 skater would be McDavid, basically.

Yeah.

 

[Kurtosis]

Yeah, I was about to say if anyone is an 80 it has to be McDavid.

 

[BobbyJet]

I think what some fail to understand is that skill, while obviously a must and great to have, is only part of the equation to being a good NHL player.

E.G. Ex-Hawk Duclair just scored his 19th goal of the season. He has excellent offensive skill but his lack of work ethic/character and failure to play the team game on both sides of the puck hold him back.

 

[Blue Liner]

I think most people understand that, personally. There are many, many immensely skilled hockey players in the world not playing in the NHL.

 

[BK]

I think what some fail to understand is that skill, while obviously a must and great to have, is only part of the equation to being a good NHL player.

E.G. Ex-Hawk Duclair just scored his 19th goal of the season. He has excellent offensive skill but his lack of work ethic/character and failure to play the team game on both sides of the puck hold him back.

Most understand this but they get mesmerized by talent.

 

[AmericanDream]

So an 80 skater would be McDavid, basically.

and Generational Jack lol...

 

[BobbyJet]

I think most people understand that, personally. There are many, many immensely skilled hockey players in the world not playing in the NHL.

Most understand this but they get mesmerized by talent.

I will be interested to see how TT does in this years PO's.

 

[clydesdale line]

80 is the max. 20-80, similar to baseball I believe.

Boqvist is right around a 65 skater. I guess if you are grumpy you could round down to 60 but he is a really good skater. Hughes is a 70 by Corey P but I think he might even be better than that.

Quinn Hughes, D, Vancouver
Age: 19
Drafted: Seventh overall in 2018
Previous ranking: 7
Skating: 70
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 65

Adam Boqvist, D, Chicago
Age: 18 | Drafted: Eighth overall in 2018
Previous ranking: 25
Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 70

Puck skills should be a 65 as well for Boqvist as he has an high end shot when Hughes has a weak shot. Bow are really good stick handlers and passers.

I would rate them like this.

Quinn Hughes, D, Vancouver
Age: 19
Skating: 75
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 65

Adam Boqvist, D, Chicago
Age: 18
Skating: 65
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 70

Note: Both end up at 235 (which makes sense because they are 2a/2b out of the D from that draft to me).

I'd either rank Boqvist hockey sense a 75 or drop Hughes down to a 60. But that's because I had Boqvist just ahead overall.

 

[BK]

London using Boqvist and Bouchard together.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Beaudin is great on the PP. Does such a good job holding the line.

 

[hawksfan50]

Tonight...Drummondvile had a huge 9-4 win...Beaudoin got Zero points and was just Even in +/-...

Tonight Boqvist got Zero points in a 3-2 London win over Guelph...Entwhistle got the 3rd Guelph goal.

 

[Kevin Musto]

 

[clydesdale line]

Tonight Boqvist got Zero points in a 3-2 London win over Guelph...Entwhistle got the 3rd Guelph goal.

 

[ClydeLee]

Own goal?

 

[Giovi]

Somehow you seem surprised he would post this.

 

[MileHighHawksFan]

I'd be curious to see who he'd consider an 80, or does that not actually exist?

I think it helps to think of it like a bell curve, which you may be familiar with but incase anyone isnt sure wheat I mean by that..

I’m probably a little bit off but it goes something like 12% of all players fall withing the 70-80 and 20-30 range and then say 6% of all players fall in the 75-80 and 20-25 range. So in theory theres maybe a few at or near the max and min of each range, while say 88% fall in the middle around say 30-70. Like I said im probably a bit off with the exact percentages but thats the general idea.

Mcdavid certainly comes to mind, healthy karlsson is up there... maybe a good thread to start would be who do we think would fit the 70-80 or 75-80 range for skating

 

[Clownish]

Assigning a number rating to speed seems new and cutting-edge as if people are now seeing a whole new way to analyze the game. Most good prospects probably rate a 60-65 so really the whole thing is as accurate and useful as saying a player "skates very well" or "he's pretty fast".

 

[RayP]

80 is the max. 20-80, similar to baseball I believe.

Boqvist is right around a 65 skater. I guess if you are grumpy you could round down to 60 but he is a really good skater. Hughes is a 70 by Corey P but I think he might even be better than that.

Quinn Hughes, D, Vancouver
Age: 19
Drafted: Seventh overall in 2018
Previous ranking: 7
Skating: 70
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 65

Adam Boqvist, D, Chicago
Age: 18 | Drafted: Eighth overall in 2018
Previous ranking: 25
Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 70

Puck skills should be a 65 as well for Boqvist as he has an high end shot when Hughes has a weak shot. Bow are really good stick handlers and passers.

I would rate them like this.

Quinn Hughes, D, Vancouver
Age: 19
Skating: 75
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 65

Adam Boqvist, D, Chicago
Age: 18
Skating: 65
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 35
Hockey sense: 70

Note: Both end up at 235 (which makes sense because they are 2a/2b out of the D from that draft to me).

I never understood why they use a 20-80 scale...?