All Purpose Coronavirus Discussion Part XIV: Enjoy Every Sandwich

[Asnito]

Mustard: pretzels, most deli meat sandwiches, egg rolls, hot dogs, burgers, various cooking uses

ketchup: French fries and onion rings

mustard wins easily for me

 

[deadhead]

i think it's quite possible that there have already been 100,000 Americans who have died from Coronavirus. This article is reporting on data from January 1st to April 16th.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...833548-8a68-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html

At that time there had been 66,000 MORE deaths than expected for the period of January 1st to April 16th. About half (33, 756 were listed as Coronavirus) the other half were listed for things other than Coronavirus.

Just from March 1st to April 4th the US had over 15,000 unexpected deaths and less than half of those were attributed to Coronavirus.

There has been a very massive undercount and it's not all just a conspiracy. It's not doctors being deceitful. Much of that is standard medical practice. As someone else posted you often have people die of something CAUSED by a disease they had or treatment to a disease they had without the actual disease listed as the cause of death.

A lot of it is due to people dying from symptoms of COVID, blood clots leading to strokes and heart attacks, COVID listed as pneumonia, etc.
If someone dies outside a hospital, how many coroners are going to go to the trouble of ordering a COVID test?
When you get out of big cities, medical examiners and coroners are often unsophisticated.

"In the US, there are two death investigation systems, the coroner system based on English law, and the medical examiner system, which evolved from the coroner system during the latter half of the 19th century. The type of system varies from municipality to municipality and from state to state, with over 2,000 separate jurisdictions for investigating unnatural deaths. In 2002, 22 states had a medical examiner system, 11 states had a coroner system, and 18 states had a mixed system. Since the 1940s, the medical examiner system has gradually replaced the coroner system, and serves about 48% of the US population.[3][4]"

"The coroner is not necessarily a medical doctor, but a lawyer, or even a layperson."

Qualifications for medical examiners in the US vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In Wisconsin, for example, some counties do not require individuals to have any special educational or medical training to hold this office.[8] In most jurisdictions, a medical examiner is required to have a medical degree, although in many this need not be in pathology. Other jurisdictions have stricter requirements, including additional education in pathology, law, and forensic pathology. Medical examiners are typically appointed officers.[9]

Medical examiner - Wikipedia

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ocean City MD reopened their beaches for locals only, but I'm sitting here staring at traffic patterns showing a hell of a lot of non-locals rushing to the beach. What a bunch of idiots.

 

[Starat327]

Or

This is an unfair question. The world cannot handle this poll.

 

[Beef Invictus]

A lot of it is due to people dying from symptoms of COVID, blood clots leading to strokes and heart attacks, COVID listed as pneumonia, etc.
If someone dies outside a hospital, how many coroners are going to go to the trouble of ordering a COVID test?
When you get out of big cities, medical examiners and coroners are often unsophisticated.

"In the US, there are two death investigation systems, the coroner system based on English law, and the medical examiner system, which evolved from the coroner system during the latter half of the 19th century. The type of system varies from municipality to municipality and from state to state, with over 2,000 separate jurisdictions for investigating unnatural deaths. In 2002, 22 states had a medical examiner system, 11 states had a coroner system, and 18 states had a mixed system. Since the 1940s, the medical examiner system has gradually replaced the coroner system, and serves about 48% of the US population.[3][4]"

"The coroner is not necessarily a medical doctor, but a lawyer, or even a layperson."

Qualifications for medical examiners in the US vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In Wisconsin, for example, some counties do not require individuals to have any special educational or medical training to hold this office.[8] In most jurisdictions, a medical examiner is required to have a medical degree, although in many this need not be in pathology. Other jurisdictions have stricter requirements, including additional education in pathology, law, and forensic pathology. Medical examiners are typically appointed officers.[9]

Medical examiner - Wikipedia

There are areas in the country where "coroner" is an elected political position which is nuts.

 

[BiggE]

What, never had Chinese hot mustard on an egg roll? It’s much better than that revoltingly sweet duck sauce.

 

[deadhead]

Ocean City MD reopened their beaches for locals only, but I'm sitting here staring at traffic patterns showing a hell of a lot of non-locals rushing to the beach. What a bunch of idiots.

The problem isn't people using beaches, or even sitting in outdoor restaurants, it's the stupidity of people who fail to practice social distancing or wear masks in crowded areas.

The virus is primarily (and maybe almost exclusively, I'm still waiting for confirmed cases of contact transmission from infected surfaces outside of hospitals) spread by droplets exhaled (not necessarily coughing, just talking will do the job).
Outdoors, these droplets are rapidly dispersed and UV also kills the virus fairly quickly.

So as long as you keep social distance and use a mask when you're in closer proximity to people, the probability of transmission is pretty low.

But hang out in a crowd, drinking and talking, new couples sharing spit, and I guarantee you'll have hot pockets of infection.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Super spicy mustard is great on egg rolls. I eat egg rolls with both duck sauce and mustard and I swap back and forth.

 

[Embiid]

What, never had Chinese hot mustard on an egg roll? It’s much better than that revoltingly sweet duck sauce.

That shit clears the sinuses...better than Mucinex Max Force Nasal Spray..

 

[Beef Invictus]

The problem isn't people using beaches, or even sitting in outdoor restaurants, it's the stupidity of people who fail to practice social distancing or wear masks in crowded areas.

The virus is primarily (and maybe almost exclusively, I'm still waiting for confirmed cases of contact transmission from infected surfaces outside of hospitals) spread by droplets exhaled (not necessarily coughing, just talking will do the job).
Outdoors, these droplets are rapidly dispersed and UV also kills the virus fairly quickly.

So as long as you keep social distance and use a mask when you in closer proximity to people, the probability of transmission is pretty low.

But hang out in a crowd, drinking and talking, new couples sharing spit, and I guarantee you'll have hot pockets of infection.

The beach won't be the problem, it's gonna be the boardwalk

 

[Asnito]

He also deflected 3 years of time he had to fix it to "the previous administration left the shelves bare"

I don't think I've ever seen somebody who will not admit being wrong on anything EVER. Bring back Ike

 

[Chinatown88]

This is an unfair question. The world cannot handle this poll.

Vice Presidential candidate Starat327 we have this question in from Twitter.

Which is better, Transformers or Voltron?

It could happen soon man.

 

[Asnito]

Still no movement on my package....

Forget your damn package you need to be playing at least 36 holes a day. I got money riding on you man

 

[Flybynite]

This is an unfair question. The world cannot handle this poll.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Megatron is misunderstood.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The beach won't be the problem, it's gonna be the boardwalk

Where I live, they had to ask 100+ groups of people to leave the boardwalk last weekend and that's only counting those that didn't move on their own upon seeing police. It's going to be a nightmare.

 

[Flybynite]

Where I live, they had to ask 100+ groups of people to leave the boardwalk last weekend and that's only counting those that didn't move on their own upon seeing police. It's going to be a nightmare.

Wildwood is gonna need to change the tramcar message from "Watch the tramcar please" to "get the **** off the boardwalk" complete with automated pepper spray sprayers.

 

[Starat327]

Hot Rod was a bigger bitch thatn Ultra Magnus. dont @ me.

 

[CapnZin]

It's a little more complex than that.

Markets don't move much off expected news, such as a current jump in unemployment, that has already been factored into prices.
Markets do move off new information that changes fundamentals, but not necessarily media news.

So for example, a company announcing it's developing a COVID vaccine will have little impact, news of a reliable positive trial (i.e., not by a quack French doctor) of a vaccine's efficacy would have a tremendous impact, especially if the vaccine seems amendable to quick production ramp-up.

Now a media announcement of a trial will fool novice investors, the real money will have hired consultants to look at the medical literature and judge whether the study is trustworthy and the potential for rapid ramp-up. Journalists rarely have the expertise to judge the validity of a trial, they'll just quote the researchers and pump it up as click bait.

of course, nobody 100% understands the markets. I’ve managed over $250,000,000 of outside capital doing exactly opposite of the bolded. That’s a fool’s paradise in my opinion. Fundamental and technical analysis - while I do use it - should never be the basis behind an investment decision. I will argue til the day I die that accounting is NOT synonymous with fundamental analysis... they are not the same.
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What I underlined is exactly correct, however, if you have to hire a consultant to make an investment decision, you probably shouldn’t be investing your money in that- this conversation I’m assuming it’s the retail investors money and not in the hands of a firms or so. If it is the firms money then I 100% agree with the underlined statement.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Or

Wait, I just realized these count as anime, don't they? Ok, I have seen some.

 

[Starat327]

Vice Presidential candidate Starat327 we have this question in from Twitter.

Which is better, Transformers or Voltron?

It could happen soon man.

If you are putting a gun to my head - im taking Voltron. But its not a decision I want to make.

 

[Flybynite]

Hot Rod was a bigger bitch thatn Ultra Magnus. dont @ me.

10 year old me couldn't decide who I disliked more. Hot Rod from the Transformers movie or Falcon(Duke's brother) from the GI Joe movie.

 

[Jack Straw]

Acceptable, as it is not just raw ketchup; it is improved ketchup.

By this criteria ketchup on fries is not just raw ketchup. I mean it's not as if you're just drinking ketchup straight out of the bottle.

 

[Chinatown88]

Wait, I just realized these count as anime, don't they? Ok, I have seen some.

@Captain Dave Poulin we should show Jojo the way of anime.

 

[Curufinwe]

Ocean City MD reopened their beaches for locals only, but I'm sitting here staring at traffic patterns showing a hell of a lot of non-locals rushing to the beach. What a bunch of idiots.

Delaware's State Parks have been open the whole time to DE residents, and have actually been free entry up until tomorrow. But of course they aren't nearly as popular as the beaches.