All Goalie Talk

[Todd1a]

Or if he proves that he can be our rock then we have a decision to make.

The decision is
To keep vasy as bishop gets older he is
Going to get more
Injury prone.

 

[Hoek]

Yeah if Vasi plays elite level then it's Bishop that's gone, not Vasi. Cheaper and has more years ahead of him. If Vasi continues to only show "potential" but not actual results, then you go with the proven quantity.

 

[DFC]

Or if he proves that he can be our rock then we have a decision to make.

Hopefully he does make it a decision.

I don't think Vasy's going to step in and be the best goalie in the NHL, which I think is the requirement for being better than Bishop. It's hard for him not to be a downgrade. The question is whether or not it's a sustainable downgrade, I think, and even for that, he has to be lights out.

 

[Todd1a]

Yeah if Vasi plays elite level then it's Bishop that's gone, not Vasi. Cheaper and has more years ahead of him. If Vasi continues to only show "potential" but not actual results, then you go with the proven quantity.

I disagree Robert guess style!!!!!! Vasy is our future and yzerman will agree with me on this!

 

[chasespace]

I disagree Robert guess style!!!!!! Vasy is our future and yzerman will agree with me on this!

He is the future but I'm sure Yzerman would continue to ride Bishop until the future has arrived, not still trying to figure it's consistency out.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

Yeah if Vasi plays elite level then it's Bishop that's gone, not Vasi. Cheaper and has more years ahead of him. If Vasi continues to only show "potential" but not actual results, then you go with the proven quantity.

yeah, but bishop has also proven to break for the past three years in the april-june time frame which just so happens to coincide with the most important hockey games

 

[Hoek]

yeah, but bishop has also proven to break for the past three years in the april-june time frame which just so happens to coincide with the most important hockey games

Yeah that's definitely something that gives me concern too.

 

[dbieon12]

Vasilevskiy gave up fewer than 3 goals for once... hooray...

 

[HoseEmDown]

Vasilevskiy gave up fewer than 3 goals for once... hooray...

We gave up fewer than 40 shots for once... hooray...

 

[Hoek]

Tough goal to lose on but if it wasn't that it would've been something else.

 

[chasespace]

Vasi proved he will be the starter for the future of this team, but the current starter is still Bishop.

 

[DFC]

Vasy really has only one flaw, but it's a pretty big one. It's just general puck control, more than just rebound control. When the puck is in his crease, he struggles to get a handle on it. We saw it all season and we saw it last night.

He'll get it under control, and when he does, it's going to be tough to find a better goalie. But it's not under control yet. So, for now, he's going to be a goalie that faces 35+ shots per night, many of which will be second opportunities. I don't see how a team can survive that.

Bishop's major flaw unfortunately looks like it's his ability to stay healthy. He's failed to finish each of the last three seasons healthy. Aside from that, there's a legit argument that he's the best goalie in hockey. And you have to appreciate the way he controls not just the crease but the entire defensive zone at times.

We look lost when Bishop's not in net. A big reason for that is Bishop's style of play.

 

[a a ron]

Any chance tampa trades vasilevskiy to toronto?

 

[Hoek]

Doubtful when there's teams out West that need goalies. Going to have to outbid them severely to get us to trade him in division.

 

[Todd1a]

Any chance tampa trades vasilevskiy to toronto?

None

 

[RDTBay4]

Any chance tampa trades vasilevskiy to toronto?

Given the talk of the board I am sure Bishop will be on the block ASAP. Can we still give Vasilevskiy the Conn Smythe?

 

[Coopers Gum]

This "Ability of Bishop to stay healthy" is way overblown. Sure, the fact is that he's been injured the last 3 playoffs. But that's overlooking the details. 2/3 have been to freak accidents. I'm not too worried about Bishop's longevity.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

This "Ability of Bishop to stay healthy" is way overblown. Sure, the fact is that he's been injured the last 3 playoffs. But that's overlooking the details. 2/3 have been to freak accidents. I'm not too worried about Bishop's longevity.

well I am id feel a lot better on new deal that went if happens 3 years over even 5 years

i think someone will give him at least 7.5 x 5 and i hope is not us if thats the case

just my doubts he can stay healthy long term

 

[Coopers Gum]

well I am id feel a lot better on new deal that went if happens 3 years over even 5 years

i think someone will give him at least 7.5 x 5 and i hope is not us if thats the case

just my doubts he can stay healthy long term

I'd give Bishop that deal and not even hesitate. He's arguably the best goaltender in the league. Really is the backbone of the team.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

I'd give Bishop that deal and not even hesitate. He's arguably the best goaltender in the league. Really is the backbone of the team.

maybe yzerman finds a way

 

[MattM92]

I wouldn't call getting injured during a game a "freak accident". A freak accident would be the guy is walking home from the arena and a car runs over his foot and breaks it. Getting hurt in a game situation is not a freak accident.

 

[tjs*]

I wouldn't call getting injured during a game a "freak accident". A freak accident would be the guy is walking home from the arena and a car runs over his foot and breaks it. Getting hurt in a game situation is not a freak accident.

Not to mention that repeatedly getting injured by seemingly minor incidents is the very definition of "injury prone".

 

[Werewolf]

I'd trade Bish this off-season. What's the going rate for a top 3 goalie in the league? Top 5 overall draft pick? Couple of Blue Chip prospects at positions of need plus a mid/late first rounder? Knowing what we know now ... Stamkos injury + ECF loss. Wish we could have traded Stamkos last off-season when we had the chance. We coulda been in the same spot we are now but instead have a couple of more first rounders or some blue chip prospects. Plus given Drouin more play time. Drouin is in the same prospect range as Vasilevskiy - they need to play. Yzerman has to get the value out of these players - when their value is at their highest. That time is now for Bishop.

What could we get for Bish in the open market? Or do we have on our hands another NMC situation with Bish?

 

[The Gongshow]

2014. Injury before playoffs. Team out 1st round
2015. Injury in the SCF. Team loses in cup final
2016. Injury in ECF. Team loses in ECF.

Bishop got the team to all these places, then gets hurt and costs the team. Its a tough one. Injury prone? I don't know but it really sucks that he's gotten hurt when we've needed him the most. Definitely one of the top 2-3 if not #1 best player on the team. Three 30+ win seasons, steals us games, one of the best puck handling goalies in the league. Tough to replace that, but Vasi does show promise, can they go on just that alone to get rid of Bish?

 

[Volodya Krutov]

The main point is to understand the business side of the game. We all love Bishop and personally I've been claiming for a while he's our most valuable player on the team, yes even more than Hedman IMO. I'm talking as one of his biggest supporter. But we need to change our approach, because it's flawed. Our possession game is suspect. The goal scoring, particularly when Kuch or Johnson are slumping tends to be clearly below average. Bish can only stand on his head as long as a human body can, and it seems it's not humanly possible to stay healthy when you need to steal 2 playoffs games per series. We're slowly becoming a younger version of the New York Rangers. The mindset of our skaters relies too much on a skillset based on defense. We have 3 forwards capable to take over a series production wise, Killorn and Palat are well-balanced but the rest of the team is just too one-dimension and plain terrible at scoring goals and/or even generate puck possession or smart plays. We just have too many Filpullas, Callahans, Browns and all here, they're very responsible players but they almost never score in the playoffs.


Now how can we improve this team ? Bish's likely to command a significant raise, something around $7M per season is very possible. Vasy's not nearly as great but he's already a decent goaltender and good enough to be reliable on a Cup contending line-up. Time will also play in Vasy's favor, he'll get better with more playing time.

The most difficult has already been done though, our top 6 is frigging legit and playoffs tested, one of the most productive in the playoffs the past 2 years, but depth at forward is absolutely key in the playoffs because your top 6 can't own such high competition for 2 months in a row. Sometimes they need support, help, a breath of fresh air... Just something !

Schneider was traded for a top 10 draft pick and he wasn't as nearly proven as Bish is now. Ain't gonna say he could bring us back a lot more but not only we'd be capable to clear some colossal cap-space, we would resolve the expansion draft concern at the same time AND also we could improve the skating squad with a young player on cheap contract having a minimum of scoring touch and offensive IQ.