Speculation: All Complaints/Critiques/Defenses of Leafs RFA Deals vis a vis Rantanen

[CatchyTune]

Toronto calls them plugs because they can't afford anything else.

Other teams call it depth.

He has a point. Leafs have guys like Johnsson Kerfoot and Kap signed to cheap deals, when colorado is paying guys like Ian Cole 4.25. Nothing against them but their depth isnt great

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Why does every post turn into Leafs talk.

Let Avs and Rantanen fans have their own post

I guess people like to compare and Marner just got overpaid by few mil.

 

[Ararana]

Dubas can always say at least he paid his good players, and that's exactly what he should say when half his defense walks on him next summer.

 

[atreyuavenged]

At worst they are equal. I dont see any evidence that rantanen is better, however that could change of course. 1.6 is nothing to cry over.

1.6 may not be something to cry over, but if you go 1.6 over every time, eventually you run out of 1.6's.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

He has a point. Leafs have guys like Johnsson Kerfoot and Kap signed to cheap deals, when colorado is paying guys like Ian Cole 4.25. Nothing against them but their depth isnt great

LOL, any avs fans know that Cole was more useful than Kerfoot last year. Kerfoot is also going to leave in 3 years when the Leafs have no cap. Barrie is guaranteed to be gone next year, unless Dubas give him 9+.

 

[CatchyTune]

It is when you're also paying Matthews money that's Almost McDavid Money.

Matthews is obviously no Mcdavid. But how many 18 year old rookies can score 40 goals? i dont even know the last time that happened. Ovie? He was between Eichel and Mcdavid as he should be, just his deal was too short

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

He has a point. Leafs have guys like Johnsson Kerfoot and Kap signed to cheap deals, when colorado is paying guys like Ian Cole 4.25. Nothing against them but their depth isnt great

Ian Cole is an underrated top-4 defenseman who would arguably be the best defensive defenseman on the Maple Leafs.

 

[DFC]

Because Chiarelli made his team progressively worse every year. Can you say the same thing about the Leafs under Dubas?

We find out how this experiment goes in 20/21. Might be fine. But there's a real chance it won't be.

 

[Boutette]

It's easy to say that until a bunch of your "paid just right" players turn out to deserve their league minimum contracts.

It a lot more painful when you have a Lucic, Neal, Marleau etc. putting out league minimum performances.

 

[tucker3434]

You left out power play minutes. Compared properly, Rants does not stack up to Marner

As long as you conveniently only consider last season because Rantanen was better at even strength the year prior.

 

[Boutette]

Ian Cole is an underrated top-4 defenseman who would arguably be the best defensive defenseman on the Maple Leafs.

Sure.

 

[Leafy Undergrowth]

Guess we're going to have to open up a thread every time we talk about Leaf comparables in regards to other players.

 

[CatchyTune]

LOL, any avs fans know that Cole was more useful than Kerfoot last year. Kerfoot is also going to leave in 3 years when the Leafs have no cap. Barrie is guaranteed to be gone next year, unless Dubas give him 9+.

Kerfoot is signed for 4. I dont see how you can know the situation in 4 years without a time machine. Barrie is far from "guaranteed to be gone" he had talks of an 8x8 right after he was acquired

 

[CatchyTune]

Ian Cole is an underrated top-4 defenseman who would arguably be the best defensive defenseman on the Maple Leafs.

He would be on the 3rd pair here. And wouldnt be close to the best defensive d on the leafs, Muzzin>Rielly>

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Ian Cole is an underrated top-4 defenseman who would arguably be the best defensive defenseman on the Maple Leafs.

Its funny when leaf fans criticize bridge deals, when Kerfoot/Kap/Johnsson are all bridge deals and not really even great ones. I'm sorry but I'll take Thachuk over all three COMBINED and then some.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Kerfoot is signed for 4. I dont see how you can know the situation in 4 years without a time machine. Barrie is far from "guaranteed to be gone" he had talks of an 8x8 right after he was acquired

Guess what, 8x8 isn't going to cut it.. specially if its the starting point TODAY.

 

[Tripod]

It's just weird with Dubas because he signed Kap and AJ to very good deals. But with Matthews, he gave away term AND gave him the 2nd highest contract. Then of course Marner followed suit when Marner led the team in points and PPG.

Dubas was clearly overmatched in the M&M negotiations. The extra term and a few extra million to use would help them come trade deadline time, injuries, re-signing depth. But in the end, it might cost them a AJ or Kap and dress someone like Bracco instead. It's NOT a doom and gloom like some like to pretend it is. I just wish Leafs fans could admit that he DID overpay or should have got more term(Matthews).

 

[TheDoldrums]

Its funny when leaf fans criticize bridge deals, when Kerfoot/Kap/Johnsson are all bridge deals and not really even great ones. I'm sorry but I'll take Thachuk over all three COMBINED and then some.

neither Kerfoot or Johnsson are bridge deals and all those deals were pretty well received but go off I guess

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

He would be on the 3rd pair here. And wouldnt be close to the best defensive d on the leafs, Muzzin>Rielly>

If you sincerely think Morgan Rielly is a better defensive defenseman than Ian Cole, there is a major flaw in the method that led you to draw that conclusion.

 

[Menzinger]

Ian Cole is an underrated top-4 defenseman who would arguably be the best defensive defenseman on the Maple Leafs.

This is just silly - even for you lol

 

[CatchyTune]

Guess what, 8x8 isn't going to cut it.. specially if its the starting point TODAY.

Just preliminary talks. Nothing to get worked up about. Could cut it looking at Spurgeons deal

 

[Boutette]

Its funny when leaf fans criticize bridge deals, when Kerfoot/Kap/Johnsson are all bridge deals and not really even great ones. I'm sorry but I'll take Thachuk over all three COMBINED and then some.

At least it means the Leafs won't be carrying a Lucic-style contract for the forseeable future.

 

[CatchyTune]

If you sincerely think Morgan Rielly is a better defensive defenseman than Ian Cole, there is a major flaw in the method that led you to draw that conclusion.

Cole could be a good penalty killing 3rd pairing guy. Defence isnt all hard hitting in the corner play. its also getting the puck out of your zone and onto your teammates stick, or carrying it yourself. I know who i'm taking

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Just preliminary talks. Nothing to get worked up about. Could cut it looking at Spurgeons deal

Why? Barrie is better than Spurgeon, represented by one of the best agencies. He's not taking just 0.5 over Spurgeon, he's getting 9 mill in Vancouver.

 

[Boutette]

It's just weird with Dubas because he signed Kap and AJ to very good deals. But with Matthews, he gave away term AND gave him the 2nd highest contract. Then of course Marner followed suit when Marner led the team in points and PPG.

Dubas was clearly overmatched in the M&M negotiations. The extra term and a few extra million to use would help them come trade deadline time, injuries, re-signing depth. But in the end, it might cost them a AJ or Kap and dress someone like Bracco instead. It's NOT a doom and gloom like some like to pretend it is. I just wish Leafs fans could admit that he DID overpay or should have got more term(Matthews).

As I've pointed out, every team overplays some players. The question is, what players are you overpaying? and by how much? It is players in the top 6, or bottom 6? Is it players entering their prime? Or leaving it?