Speculation: All Complaints/Critiques/Defenses of Leafs RFA Deals vis a vis Rantanen

[PG Canuck]

Everyone laughing at that Marner deal now.

 

[DFC]

And Toronto isn't overpaying its bottom six or handing out gold plated retirement contracts like many teams in this league do for what players achieved 5-10 years before they are signed, not what they will be achieving. I for one am happy the leafs won't be handing out huge contracts to prospective grandfathers any time soon.

Sure. But that's because they can't. It's nice to have the option to improve your roster, but keep telling yourself "They would have just wasted the money anyway, so this is a much better strategy," if that's what it takes to make Marner and Matthews's deal feel okay next to this one.

I mean... Sakic has the option to not overpay Rantanen AND not overpay veterans. And then, if he wants, he can make a TDL acquisition. Or not. But the choice is his, because he's left himself room to operate.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Rantanen and Point were the only 2 comparables. Point took a cheap tampa tax bridge, and yes Rantanen got a bit less. Doesnt take away from Marner

No one said it takes away from Marner. We are talking about his overpaid contract not the player.
So of course it takes away from what Dubas paid Marner. A better player got $1.6 million less.

 

[MoreMogilny]

Don't bring up a comparable Leafs player who recently signed as well, or else you're obsessed with the Leafs.

Lol it’s not that and you know it. It’s the absolute amount of trash comments about the Leafs and Dubas that are thrown around at every opportunity.

 

[tucker3434]

Marner had a much higher 9/60 than Ratanen last year. Colorado has no scoring depth (Kadri doesn't really fix that on his own). Ratanen had to play 20% more each night to manage 10 pts less than Marner.

Rantanen also played 8 less games. Noticed you left that little nugget out...

 

[PromisedLand]

good stuff avs; now get ranta in and playing; my fantasy hockey needs him

9.25 AAV seems pretty good if Ranta keeps up the production; don't see any reason why he wouldnt

freakin' dubas

(am a leafs fan)

 

[WingsMJN2965]

They will make that up in other areas while Toronto doesn't overpay its bottom 6 plugs, Colorado certainly does.

Toronto calls them plugs because they can't afford anything else.

Other teams call it depth.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

They will make that up in other areas while Toronto doesn't overpay its bottom 6 plugs, Colorado certainly does.

Colorado can make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

 

[CatchyTune]

what marketing firm do you work for??? mlse?

A man can dream

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Well done Avs, and Sakic in particular to have this great young talent signed before the season. We all knew his deal would look better than the Marner contract would. 6 years and 2.70M to spare to help out the Avs depth in other spots.

 

[CatchyTune]

No one said it takes away from Marner. We are talking about his overpaid contract not the player.
So of course it takes away from what Dubas paid Marner. A better player got $1.6 million less.

At worst they are equal. I dont see any evidence that rantanen is better, however that could change of course. 1.6 is nothing to cry over.

 

[qwerty]

Pretty good deal for both sides. Tax situation is a lot better in Denver than it is in Toronto, so the take home ends up pretty close. Marner gets a little more, but I think he should as he’s lead his team in scoring twice whereas Rantanen has not.

 

[Notsince67]

If its 7 or 8 years thats fantastic value. Toronto media is going to have a field deal with his comparing it to Marner . It'll be funny as hell.

6 it is. Still a good deal. Around 1.6 million per year cheaper than Marner . Oh boy.

Yeah. Rants got overpaid

 

[Boutette]

Dubas deserves to be criticized after signing Matthews and Marner to those deals.

Weird how you and many Leafs fans weren't defending Chiarelli when he was the laughing stock of HF boards after terrible trades/signings. Heck, you guys contributed the most.

Because Chiarelli made his team progressively worse every year. Can you say the same thing about the Leafs under Dubas?

 

[Boutette]

Every team has a few players who are overpaid, and a few which are underpaid. I'd rather overpay players who are entering their prime than overpay those who are leaving/have left it.

 

[Foppberg]

Oh Dubas, he's made some good trades but my God he's horrible at negotiation.

 

[Boutette]

Ah ok, so you're the deciding factor on what's allowed to be criticized HF.

Got it boss.

No, explaining why Chiarelli deserves to be mocked. When Toronto hits the same galaxy as the skid that Edmonton has, I'll be the first to say Dubas needs the boot.

 

[Skolman]

Both players are amazing in their own right. 1.6 more is nothing to fuss over. Other teams are paying scrubs twice that

Yet you and many Leafs fan criticized the Draisaitl signing heavily. What should he have been signed for at the time, 6.9 mil? If so, 8.5 mil should have been nothing to criticize Chia over.

 

[Del Preston]

Peter Dubas

 

[CatchyTune]

Yet you and many Leafs fan criticized the Draisaitl signing heavily. What should he have been signed for at the time, 6.9 mil? If so, 8.5 mil should have been nothing to criticize Chia over.

Good job completely changing the subject. I said no such thing about Draisatl's deal

 

[Notsince67]

No one said it takes away from Marner. We are talking about his overpaid contract not the player.
So of course it takes away from what Dubas paid Marner. A better player got $1.6 million less.

Better at what? Surely not hockey

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Every team has a few players who are overpaid, and a few which are underpaid. I'd rather overpay players who are entering their prime than overpay those who are leaving/have left it.

I’d rather have overpaid players in their prime too.
But the problem is that some of the top GMs have fairly paid or underpaid players in their prime and that’s what separates the great GMs from the average ones. There’s no question this gives teams like TBay and Colorado a big advantage over the Leafs in the long term.

 

[DFC]

At worst they are equal. I dont see any evidence that rantanen is better, however that could change of course. 1.6 is nothing to cry over.

It is when you're also paying Matthews money that's Almost McDavid Money.

 

[DFC]

Every team has a few players who are overpaid, and a few which are underpaid. I'd rather overpay players who are entering their prime than overpay those who are leaving/have left it.

It's easy to say that until a bunch of your "paid just right" players turn out to deserve their league minimum contracts.

 

[Notsince67]

Rantanen also played 8 less games. Noticed you left that little nugget out...

You left out power play minutes. Compared properly, Rants does not stack up to Marner