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[Gordoff]

This thread is an example of why you develope players. Trying to acquire what you need is too expensive. The Bruins are on the right path. Your talking about two high prospects, another 1 st gone in two straight years and a regular player for a guy who has a big chunk of his ankle bone removed, has to be resigned for 11+ mil and 8 years. Crazy. You can’t match what Toronto did. It’s a recipe for disaster. Stay the course and identify keepers in the system.

^^^^THIS!!^^^^ Not worth the risk. If his ankle "s***s the bed" and he's reduced to average and then needs to retire in a few years the Bruins would be stripped. Imagine losing our top prospects AND McAvoy for EK and he can't reach his previous level of play and at that point Bergy, Marchand and Chara are gone? That can happen withing 5 years, and that is scary!

 

[Dizzay]

If I am STL I block all future calls from Don's number

Hahahahaha, please what does it take to get Jaybo and Schenn then?

 

[BruinDust]

One guy plays on a team that has missed the playoffs for a few years, one guy plays for a team that hopes to be a contender. There are more chances for a young guy to get a full time roster spot when the season isn't/hasn't resulted in a playoff spot. Zboril on the Canucks probably would've seen ice time given the state of that team. Not to mention a forward prospect sees NHL time earlier than D prospects on average.

That was not a well thought out take by you.

Your comment about Zboril having shown more as a pro than Virtanen is one of the more ridiculous comments made here in recent memory.

I don't care if Jakub Zboril played for a perennial contender, or the worst team in the league. He hasn't even made a push at any NHL training camp he has ever attended for an NHL job. Even last year he was quickly demoted early in camp. Didn't even give Bruins management pause for thought to keep him around and give him a couple more pre-season games.

I like Zboril's tools, but by all accounts (Bruins mangement, coaches, P-Bruins reporters) is he still has a ways to go to be an NHL D-man. Maybe he gives them something to think about this October, we'll see. I'm not betting on it.

And I don't love Virtanen, but he roughly the same age and like it or not, IS an NHL player, right now.

Something we still don't know about Zboril.

So by virtue of actually playing in the best league in the world vs. another player who hasn't, I'm going to safely say the actual NHL player has shown more as a pro than the AHL player.

Once again, one for the most ridiculous comments I've seen here in awhile. Give your head a shake.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Your comment about Zboril having shown more as a pro than Virtanen is one of the more ridiculous comments made here in recent memory.

I don't care if Jakub Zboril played for a perennial contender, or the worst team in the league. He hasn't even made a push at any NHL training camp he has ever attended for an NHL job. Even last year he was quickly demoted early in camp. Didn't even give Bruins management pause for thought to keep him around and give him a couple more pre-season games.

I like Zboril's tools, but by all accounts (Bruins mangement, coaches, P-Bruins reporters) is he still has a ways to go to be an NHL D-man. Maybe he gives them something to think about this October, we'll see. I'm not betting on it.

And I don't love Virtanen, but he roughly the same age and like it or not, IS an NHL player, right now.

Something we still don't know about Zboril.

So by virtue of actually playing in the best league in the world vs. another player who hasn't, I'm going to safely say the actual NHL player has shown more as a pro than the AHL player.

Once again, one for the most ridiculous comments I've seen here in awhile. Give your head a shake.

I already explained why you're wrong, not going to keep doing this again and again.

Steven Kampfer got NHL time on a bad Bruins defense. Doesn't mean he was an NHL player. Josh Archibold gets NHL ice time on the Coyotes out of necessity, not out of ability.

I apologize you have trouble understanding that concept. Going by JV's statline, he probably would have done better with more seasoning outside of the NHL. But because of the openings on a bad Vancouver team, he was thrust into it.

Hopefully your confusion has been cleared up.

Hahahahaha, please what does it take to get Jaybo and Schenn then?

You need a good reason for STL to downgrade their 1st line center from Schenn to Bozak. I don't think Heinen does it for them

 

[weaponomega]

Your comment about Zboril having shown more as a pro than Virtanen is one of the more ridiculous comments made here in recent memory.

I don't care if Jakub Zboril played for a perennial contender, or the worst team in the league. He hasn't even made a push at any NHL training camp he has ever attended for an NHL job. Even last year he was quickly demoted early in camp. Didn't even give Bruins management pause for thought to keep him around and give him a couple more pre-season games.

I like Zboril's tools, but by all accounts (Bruins mangement, coaches, P-Bruins reporters) is he still has a ways to go to be an NHL D-man. Maybe he gives them something to think about this October, we'll see. I'm not betting on it.

And I don't love Virtanen, but he roughly the same age and like it or not, IS an NHL player, right now.

Something we still don't know about Zboril.

So by virtue of actually playing in the best league in the world vs. another player who hasn't, I'm going to safely say the actual NHL player has shown more as a pro than the AHL player.

Once again, one for the most ridiculous comments I've seen here in awhile. Give your head a shake.

You are basically saying you wouldn't trade Nail Yakupov for Rasmus Dahlin because Yakupov has shown more as a nhler.

Zboril has shown more at the AHL level than Virtanen has. Where would Virtanen play on this team? Likely the 4th line. I'm not sure trading one of our top prospects for a 4th liner makes any sense even if Zboril has yet to play in the NHL.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

You are basically saying you wouldn't trade Nail Yakupov for Rasmus Dahlin because Yakupov has shown more as a nhler.

Zboril has shown more at the AHL level than Virtanen has. Where would Virtanen play on this team? Likely the 4th line. I'm not sure trading one of our top prospects for a 4th liner makes any sense even if Zboril has yet to play in the NHL.

Thank you.

You simplified it better than I could.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

You are basically saying you wouldn't trade Nail Yakupov for Rasmus Dahlin because Yakupov has shown more as a nhler.

Zboril has shown more at the AHL level than Virtanen has. Where would Virtanen play on this team? Likely the 4th line. I'm not sure trading one of our top prospects for a 4th liner makes any sense even if Zboril has yet to play in the NHL.

That's not what he was arguing though?

He was arguing who has shown more on the pro level AT THIS point. Not even whether he'd do the trade, which he stated above he wouldn't do on either side. (Van would want more, and the Bruins likely don't wanna give up on Zboril yet, especially since Donny's basic mentality has been draft and develop)

Yakupov vs. Dahlin is a bad analogy, too.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

The original take of trading Zboril for Virtanen was bad. We're dealing from a depth position, but we're also looking for a potential top pairing LHD of the future. I'm not trading any of our LHD prospects unless it's addressing an important need (center, LHD. legit top 6 RW). I'm certainly not dealing any of it for a bust-level Virtanen. The guy hasn't done anything and you're paying for his draft pedigree. He's produced, thus far, as a 4th liner in the NHL. Why would the Bruins trade a top LHD prospect for that?

 

[weaponomega]

That's not what he was arguing though?

He was arguing who has shown more on the pro level AT THIS point. Not even whether he'd do the trade, which he stated above he wouldn't do on either side. (Van would want more, and the Bruins likely don't wanna give up on Zboril yet, especially since Donny's basic mentality has been draft and develop)

Yakupov vs. Dahlin is a bad analogy, too.

I literally used this line in my analogy

So by virtue of actually playing in the best league in the world vs. another player who hasn't, I'm going to safely say the actual NHL player has shown more as a pro than the AHL player.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Zboril doesn't usually even make top 50 NHL prospect lists, not sure why there's such a love affair for him. Plenty of teams have a Zboril level prospect in their pipeline.

 

[Mainehockey33]

You’re both right. Virtanen has shown more at the pro level just because he’s played more pro hockey and in the NHL. What he’s shown is that he’s a bust so far, while Zboril has shown some promise in his first AHL season. You both agree that Zboril isn’t worth trading for Virtanen.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Zboril doesn't usually even make top 50 NHL prospect lists, not sure why there's such a love affair for him. Plenty of teams have a Zboril level prospect in their pipeline.

It's probably more that fans don't want to see him dealt for a 4th liner than a "love". Your suggestion (Virtanen) was no bueno. I would trade Zboril easily. I just wouldn't deal him for what you proposed.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

It's probably more that fans don't want to see him dealt for a 4th liner than a "love". Your suggestion (Virtanen) was no bueno. I would trade Zboril easily. I just wouldn't deal him for what you proposed.

Impossible to tell for another 3-4 years

 

[Dizzay]

I already explained why you're wrong, not going to keep doing this again and again.

Steven Kampfer got NHL time on a bad Bruins defense. Doesn't mean he was an NHL player. Josh Archibold gets NHL ice time on the Coyotes out of necessity, not out of ability.

I apologize you have trouble understanding that concept. Going by JV's statline, he probably would have done better with more seasoning outside of the NHL. But because of the openings on a bad Vancouver team, he was thrust into it.

Hopefully your confusion has been cleared up.



You need a good reason for STL to downgrade their 1st line center from Schenn to Bozak. I don't think Heinen does it for them

Ryan O'Reilly?

 

[LouJersey]

I would deal Zboril for Virtanen every day of the week.

The John Moore signing tells you all you need to know about what the brass thinks about our LHD depth in the system.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Ryan O'Reilly?

IDK why I forgot that but you are correct.

 

[BruinDust]

I already explained why you're wrong, not going to keep doing this again and again.

Steven Kampfer got NHL time on a bad Bruins defense. Doesn't mean he was an NHL player. Josh Archibold gets NHL ice time on the Coyotes out of necessity, not out of ability.

I apologize you have trouble understanding that concept. Going by JV's statline, he probably would have done better with more seasoning outside of the NHL. But because of the openings on a bad Vancouver team, he was thrust into it.

Hopefully your confusion has been cleared up.



You need a good reason for STL to downgrade their 1st line center from Schenn to Bozak. I don't think Heinen does it for them

Bad Bruins Defense? You mean the D group that won a cup in 2011 (the year Kampfer played for the Bruins).

Your the only one confused here. If we were talking about some sure-fire blue-chip prospect, maybe you'd have an argument.

But unfortunately we are talking about Jakub Zboril. A guy 3 years removed from being drafted, who has great physical tools but yet had just a decent year by all account in the AHL. Decent, not great, and still needs to continue to get better to ever be an everyday NHL player.

I like Zboril's natural talents but the love affair around here for him is out of whack, I wouldn't call him anything close to a top prospect at this stage. He's a guy who has high upside due to his natural physical abilities but still hasn't shown a great head for the game.

 

[BruinDust]

I would deal Zboril for Virtanen every day of the week.

The John Moore signing tells you all you need to know about what the brass thinks about our LHD depth in the system.

But Lou, clearly the prospect fan-boys on this board know more about Zboril and the other LD prospects than Sweeney or the Providence coaching staff do.

 

[BruinDust]

You’re both right. Virtanen has shown more at the pro level just because he’s played more pro hockey and in the NHL. What he’s shown is that he’s a bust so far, while Zboril has shown some promise in his first AHL season. You both agree that Zboril isn’t worth trading for Virtanen.

Considering they are about the same age, if Virtanen is a bust, then we can make the same claim about Zboril.

I still think it's too early to declare either a bust at this stage.

I think both have great physical tools but lack the ability to think the game well.

 

[DrJustice]

But Lou, clearly the prospect fan-boys on this board know more about Zboril and the other LD prospects than Sweeney or the Providence coaching staff do.

Or maybe the Moore signing has more to do with the fact he's our only NHL LD signed after two seasons.

I think it'll be a lot more telling to see what happens in training camp then what the team thinks than now.

Players improve the most over the summer IMO

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Bad Bruins Defense? You mean the D group that won a cup in 2011 (the year Kampfer played for the Bruins).

Your the only one confused here. If we were talking about some sure-fire blue-chip prospect, maybe you'd have an argument.

But unfortunately we are talking about Jakub Zboril. A guy 3 years removed from being drafted, who has great physical tools but yet had just a decent year by all account in the AHL. Decent, not great, and still needs to continue to get better to ever be an everyday NHL player.

I like Zboril's natural talents but the love affair around here for him is out of whack, I wouldn't call him anything close to a top prospect at this stage. He's a guy who has high upside due to his natural physical abilities but still hasn't shown a great head for the game.

He filled in for Mark Stuart on an emergency call up when he got injured. A NECESSITY. He then played solid for a bit to keep him in the lineup.

 

[Lost Horizons]

reading the thread title I read it as:

 

[Son of Donegal]

Whatever the case may be, if I am Sweeney, I see what Zboril brings to training camp before I decide to proactively move him. If a team calls for him, that's another story.

 

[LouJersey]

Whatever the case may be, if I am Sweeney, I see what Zboril brings to training camp before I decide to proactively move him. If a team calls for him, that's another story.

I don't know. They had 7 real NHL defensemen on the team. Zboril you would think after a year in the A would "qualify" to at least be 8th on the depth chart. Instead, they spent 2.75 mil per, for FIVE seasons on a guy that plays his position, after signing Gryz to 2 years. Krug has 2 more years. Chara, who knows, but I would say 1 or 2.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I don't know. They had 7 real NHL defensemen on the team. Zboril you would think after a year in the A would "qualify" to at least be 8th on the depth chart. Instead, they spent 2.75 mil per, for FIVE seasons on a guy that plays his position, after signing Gryz to 2 years. Krug has 2 more years. Chara, who knows, but I would say 1 or 2.

Insurance. It’s a contract they could easily move. There’s a good chance Zboril will need more time in the AHL so a guy like Moore makes sense to have around for depth. If one of the prospects push for a spot, Sweeney can trade Moore or whoever for an asset. Zboril won’t be sitting in the press box I’m sure, so he isn’t an option for the extra defenseman.

I’m not against trading him, but I think Virtanen has less value right now.