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[Gee Wally]

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[LouJersey]

After reading the last thread, cancel the season, TB/Tor are unstoppable.

#loseforhughes

 

[Fenian24]

I didn’t know there was a minimum number of games needed to be played to be impactful.

Want a list of "Productive" playoff players who never did anything again? Fernado Pisani, John Druce, Steve Payne, Ruslan Fedortenko. Bob Joyce. Lots of players have had one good playoff to never live up to those expectations. I like DeBrusk a lot, that doesn't mean he is going to be a 30% shooter in the playoffs or regular season. Using your logic Tyler Randell should have been on the top line in his time here because of his shooting percentage right?

 

[Mainehockey33]

I genuinely don't know if you're being intentionally obtuse or not.

You're pointing to 12 game and saying he is definitely an impact player. Well 5 of those games came in the Tampa series where like everyone else he was ineffective, so it's really 7 games. In those 7 games was he an impact player? Yes, he was, the sheer volume of his production makes that true, let alone how timely some of his goals were in big moments.

Seven games does not clearly define anyone as an impact player. It does not guarantee he will be an impact player. You're treating this tiny sample as definitive proof of your argument, all while ignoring he was also remarkably lucky to be so productive on his shots, at a rate not even Wayne Gretzky himself could sustain. If he had scored at his normal 10% you would not be saying he is an impact player. If you see a .220 hitter bat .400 for a week do you think he is the next Ted Williams? If you see a .330 hitter bat .500 for a week do you think he is Babe Ruth reborn?

Maybe he will be an impact player. I'm not saying he won't be. The point is it remains to be seen, no matter how much you insist we already know this because of what he did in one playoff series.

I see what you’re saying. I was talking about what he has done so far. You’re right in saying that he may not sustain that or be an impact player moving forward.

So I was wrong in saying he’s an impact player moving forward, but I still think he was an impact player in the playoffs.

 

[EverettMike]

I see what you’re saying. I was talking about what he has done so far. You’re right in saying that he may not sustain that or be an impact player moving forward.

So I was wrong in saying he’s an impact player moving forward, but I still think he was an impact player in the playoffs.

I also thought he was in the Toronto series. I am highest on him out of any of our young forwards. But he's got a long way to go, especially since Cassidy wisely played him in sheltered minutes last season, before we know how good he really is.

 

[compan]

If TB gets Karlsson, I will be mystified if they can make it work with a cap. They only have $4m in space right now but 2019-20 season that team would look VERY different.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I also thought he was in the Toronto series. I am highest on him out of any of our young forwards. But he's got a long way to go, especially since Cassidy wisely played him in sheltered minutes last season, before we know how good he really is.

He had ups and downs throughout the season. I think we agree that productive players are impact players? Where we disagree is because I said he was an impact player moving forward, and if so I agree that it’s too early to tell.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

I have a feeling Sweeney will make an offer because he almost has to. That said I expect him to go to Tampa.

 

[Sheppy]

I don't think the Bruins are even close to being in on Karlsson. The moves they made are exactly the type of moves i figured they'd make. Non impactful, but not making their team worse.

 

[Absurdity]

If TB gets Karlsson, I will be mystified if they can make it work with a cap. They only have $4m in space right now but 2019-20 season that team would look VERY different.

Tampa has assets that Ottawa would want in a trade for Karlsson. Ottawa wants to compete next season because Colorado has their 1st.

Tampa can offer Stralman + Gourde + 1st + maybe another asset(s). Ottawa gets a top-paring RD to replace Karlsson, a young top 6 winger that would be hard for Tampa to re-sign given their cap and needing to re-sign Kucherov and Point, and other assets. Just my made up proposal, but if those two are involved, the hold up may be that both Stralman and Gourde are UFAs next season and much like teams that want to trade for Karlsson want an approval that Karlsson will re-sign with their team, Ottawa may be looking for the same.

The season after, Coburn and Girardi are off the books which will give them $6.7M more in cap space and would have Hedman, Karlsson, McDonagh, and Sergachev as their top 4. The cap may increase as well. The most difficult obstacle ahead of them would be to get Point and Kucherov signed. We'll see who is involved in the trade if Karlsson is traded to Tampa, but Tampa can make it work.

 

[GlenFeatherstone]

Tampa has assets that Ottawa would want in a trade for Karlsson. Ottawa wants to compete next season because Colorado has their 1st.

Tampa can offer Stralman + Gourde + 1st + maybe another asset(s). Ottawa gets a top-paring RD to replace Karlsson, a young top 6 winger that would be hard for Tampa to re-sign given their cap and needing to re-sign Kucherov and Point, and other assets. Just my made up proposal, but if those two are involved, the hold up may be that both Stralman and Gourde are UFAs next season and much like teams that want to trade for Karlsson want an approval that Karlsson will re-sign with their team, Ottawa may be looking for the same.

The season after, Coburn and Girardi are off the books which will give them $6.7M more in cap space and would have Hedman, Karlsson, McDonagh, and Sergachev as their top 4. The cap may increase as well. The most difficult obstacle ahead of them would be to get Point and Kucherov signed. We'll see who is involved in the trade if Karlsson is traded to Tampa, but Tampa can make it work.

If your Ottawa you’ve got to get one of Sergachev or Point. Especially with Tampa not being able to trade a first round pick right now.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Duchene from Ottawa would be a good fit in Boston. As would Mark Stone.

 

[Jaguar God]

After reading the last thread, cancel the season, TB/Tor are unstoppable.

#loseforhughes

Pretty much. It's either Toronto can improve and the Bruins won't, or the Toronto defense is bad and the Bruins are worse for it because the series went to seven games. Either way, the Bruins suck.

 

[EverettMike]

He had ups and downs throughout the season. I think we agree that productive players are impact players? Where we disagree is because I said he was an impact player moving forward, and if so I agree that it’s too early to tell.

I don't think all productive players are impact players. Some guys get lots of points on one end while giving up even more on the other. Some guys are PP specialists who drag their team down 5x5 and can't be trusted in a tight game late. Impact guys to me are contributing in every scenario all over the ice, or are a going concern for the opposition every time they are on the ice.

Not all 60 point seasons are equal. Some guys do less with more. If one guy gets to start in the offensive zone most of the time and gets to play against the opposition's 3rd line most nights that's not as impactful as a guy (like Bergeron) who gets the same points while starting in the D-zone more often than not, defending the opposition's top line, and playing in every scenario.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Duchene from Ottawa would be a good fit in Boston. As would Mark Stone.

Could Duchene work though? His cap is $6M AAV and I don’t see Backes agreeing to go the other way.

 

[Absurdity]

If your Ottawa you’ve got to get one of Sergachev or Point. Especially with Tampa not being able to trade a first round pick right now.

I forgot about the condition on their 1st. Point + Stralman + Gourde would be a heck of a return for Ottawa.

 

[N o o d l e s]

If TB gets Karlsson, I will be mystified if they can make it work with a cap. They only have $4m in space right now but 2019-20 season that team would look VERY different.

Just wait until Dorion takes on a bunch of their salary and doesn’t get the best prospects back

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

I don't think the Bruins are even close to being in on Karlsson. The moves they made are exactly the type of moves i figured they'd make. Non impactful, but not making their team worse.

I think any time you hear that a first ballot HOF player is able to move inside your division, you pick up the phone out of curiosity. If for no other reason than to drive up the price for Tampa.

Sweeney has millions of reasons to want to make Stevie Y pay more.

 

[sarge88]

I have a feeling Sweeney will make an offer because he almost has to. That said I expect him to go to Tampa.

I know I'm in the minority on this, but I'd seriously consider trading McAvoy for him.

I'm not saying that if I were GM, I'd have the guts to pull the trigger, but here is my reasoning:

1. Karlsson is now, what we "HOPE" McAvoy will be in 2-5 years. Now, not discounting anything Charlie has done thus far, but he's pretty far from what Karlsson is right now. He may get there soon -- may get there in 4 years or may never get there.

By simply switching out McAvoy for EK, it makes the Bruins stronger today, and IMO during the precious window of Bergy, Krejci and Rask's prime. Possibly even Marchand as well.
McAvoy, if he ever gets there, is likely to be what EK is, after those player are on the decline. With Karlsson, they are right in the mix with TB as conference favorites. Without him, they aren't, IMO.

2. Karlsson just turned 28 -- he's going to be highly productive for a good 3-4 more years, and likely still very productive for another 3-4 after that. That is plenty of time to find, draft and develop the next guy (McAvoy's replacement, ostensibly).

3. By keeping him away from TB, you clearly keep the Bruins at their level. By allowing him to go there, you allow them the chance to dominate the conference for 3-5 years.

I know that a lot here will summarily discount this suggestion, but IMO, any GM that doesn't at least consider it, isn't doing his job, IMO.

I would do a deal centered around those two players, depending on the additional pieces.

Maybe: McAvoy, a 2nd and one prospect/young player, not named DeBrusk, Donato, Bjork or Heinen.

 

[Fenian24]

Duchene from Ottawa would be a good fit in Boston. As would Mark Stone.

They would but Ottawa can't completely tank, they have to try as hard as they can to avoid giving the first overall pick next year and Jack Hughes to Colorado

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Duchene from Ottawa would be a good fit in Boston. As would Mark Stone.

Duchene's stock is way down from his Avs days obviously, and I don't like the way he handled his departure from Colorado, but He is still one of the most productive even strength players of the last 7 years and I think the guy is just too damn good to not bounce back. I would absolutely take him in Boston for the right price. I think he'd potentially give you 75% of Tavares at half the price and would allow us to keep Krejci and have some of the center depth we were hoping signing Tavares might give us.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

After reading the last thread, cancel the season, TB/Tor are unstoppable.

#loseforhughes

After Tampa handily beat us in the PO's, they went out and improved their team.

After Toronto lost to us in a coin flip game 7, they went out and improved their team.

I think its fair to pump the tires of teams making the moves necessary to get to the next level.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Could Duchene work though? His cap is $6M AAV and I don’t see Backes agreeing to go the other way.

well I mean they were probably offering Tavares 10-11. If they could move Backes elsewhere it could definitely work and they could even keep Krejci.

I think it would be a smart move and continue Sweeney's plan of making this team faster. potentially having Duchen, Bjork, Lauko, and Senyshyn as regulars in the next couple years would make Boston one of the fastest teams in the league.

 

[Oates2Neely]

No chance I’d move McAvoy for Karlsson. I’d do Carlo + and I’m a big Carlo fan. A Chara-Karlsson top pairing would be fun to watch.

I’d prefer to avoid the 11m players. Much rather take on a Bouwmeester type veteran dman for a short time while the kid dmen develop.

 

[compan]

I know I'm in the minority on this, but I'd seriously consider trading McAvoy for him.

I'm not saying that if I were GM, I'd have the guts to pull the trigger, but here is my reasoning:

1. Karlsson is now, what we "HOPE" McAvoy will be in 2-5 years. Now, not discounting anything Charlie has done thus far, but he's pretty far from what Karlsson is right now. He may get there soon -- may get there in 4 years or may never get there.

By simply switching out McAvoy for EK, it makes the Bruins stronger today, and IMO during the precious window of Bergy, Krejci and Rask's prime. Possibly even Marchand as well.
McAvoy, if he ever gets there, is likely to be what EK is, after those player are on the decline. With Karlsson, they are right in the mix with TB as conference favorites. Without him, they aren't, IMO.

2. Karlsson just turned 28 -- he's going to be highly productive for a good 3-4 more years, and likely still very productive for another 3-4 after that. That is plenty of time to find, draft and develop the next guy (McAvoy's replacement, ostensibly).

3. By keeping him away from TB, you clearly keep the Bruins at their level. By allowing him to go there, you allow them the chance to dominate the conference for 3-5 years.

I know that a lot here will summarily discount this suggestion, but IMO, any GM that doesn't at least consider it, isn't doing his job, IMO.

I would do a deal centered around those two players, depending on the additional pieces.

Maybe: McAvoy, a 2nd and one prospect/young player, not named DeBrusk, Donato, Bjork or Heinen.

Karlsson is 28, but McAvoy is 20. Like you said, 3-4 more good years of Karlsson. McAvoy has another good 10-12 years, all of which is untapped upward potential. Our window doesn't need to end with Bergeron, Krejci and Rask. There is a lot more FA and drafting that will happen within those years that could easily give us a contending team without Bergeron, Rask and Krejci. We would be selling for a short term window that is entirely made up.