Prospect Info: Alexander Romanov (2018, 38th OA) - KHL, CSKA Moscow: Part IV

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

thanks. nice moves. good to see him doing it in the KHL. kid has real upside.

there you go, it's the 2nd one but it's not off the post, the goalie gets a piece of it as they counted it as a shot.

how long we have before we have to sign him. would be nice to be able to be patient with him.

man i love our drafting of late. is he even in our top 20? definitely still a long shot but a skilled one and pulling off skilled moves in the 2nd best league in the world.

 

[montreal]

thanks. nice moves. good to see him doing it in the KHL. kid has real upside.



how long we have before we have to sign him. would be nice to be able to be patient with him.

man i love our drafting of late. is he even in our top 20? definitely still a long shot but a skilled one and pulling off skilled moves in the 2nd best league in the world.

5 years since there's no PTA in place with Russia so you have till the player becomes UFA age. If Romanov is coming over and if they end up signing his teammate Okulov then it would make sense to bring Khisamutdinov over next summer with them to make things a little easier on him at least at camp since he would be in Laval and the other two would at least be expected to make the Habs.

But we'll see what happens as MB said at the draft they wanted to bring him over after this season but who knows if he will even want to come over, just like Romanov though as long as they don't re-sign with their KHL club then they are more then likely coming over, if either do then we won't be seeing them for at least a year.

 

[LastWordArmy]

5 years since there's no PTA in place with Russia so you have till the player becomes UFA age. If Romanov is coming over and if they end up signing his teammate Okulov then it would make sense to bring Khisamutdinov over next summer with them to make things a little easier on him at least at camp since he would be in Laval and the other two would at least be expected to make the Habs.

But we'll see what happens as MB said at the draft they wanted to bring him over after this season but who knows if he will even want to come over, just like Romanov though as long as they don't re-sign with their KHL club then they are more then likely coming over, if either do then we won't be seeing them for at least a year.

If a player never signs you can keep him.indefinitely. he never becomes ufa.

Its only if they sign here and go back and you retain their rfa rights (see tryamkin in vancouver) that they become ufas.

Check the reserve lists on cap friendly. A number of teams still have 30+ year old russians.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If a player never signs you can keep him.indefinitely. he never becomes ufa.

Its only if they sign here and go back and you retain their rfa rights (see tryamkin in vancouver) that they become ufas.

Check the reserve lists on cap friendly. A number of teams still have 30+ year old russians.

Are you saying if you draft a Russian, but never sign him, he's property of said NHL team indefinitely?

 

[LastWordArmy]

Are you saying if you draft a Russian, but never sign him, he's property of said NHL team indefinitely?

Until a transfer agreement is agreed, yes.

There are a couple ways to lose the player...

1) renounce your rights (if you need space on the 90 man reserve list).
2) the player moves to a league with a transfer agreement (ie moves from KHL to SHL, or Liiga, etc...) then you need to sign him as per the rules of the transfer agreement with that league.

Here is the copypaste from Cap Friendly

Reserve List FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

What are the exclusive signing rights for Non-North American Drafted Players [Leagues with No NHL Transfer Agreement]?

Example leagues with no existing NHL transfer agreement are:

• KHL
• NLA/NLB (Switzerland)

DRAFT AGE	BONA-FIDE OFFER	EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS RETAINED	SOURCE
18 or 19	Not required	Indefinitely
20 or older	Not required	Indefinitely

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Additional Details:

• The NHL club must tag the player as “Defected” and place them on their 90 player reserve list.
• If the player moves to a league that the NHL does have a Transfer Agreement with, at that moment the Club must sign the Player or lose its exclusive rights to negotiate.

 

[Runner77]

This news item had me thinking. If it happened with Kravtsov, could it not occur with Romanov?



Kravtsov, 19, was scratched for the second game of the season in Hartford and sat for long stretches in two of the games he’s dressed for while posting a single assist in his first North American foray.

In an effort to keep things amicable, Rangers brass worked with Kravtsov’s agent on the move rather than keep him in an unhappy situation, Brooks reports. The 2018 first-round pick (No. 9 overall) is eligible to be recalled by the Rangers at any point this season.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/25/rangers-prospect-vitali-kravtsov-heading-back-to-russia/



Is there a lesson in there for the Habs in respect of how they're going to handle Romanov if he decides to sign with Montreal next season? If he didn't make the team, he too could ask for an out clause so he doesn't spend any time in Laval.

Thoughts?

 

[habsfan891]

This news item had me thinking. If it happened with Kravtsov, could it not occur with Romanov?



Kravtsov, 19, was scratched for the second game of the season in Hartford and sat for long stretches in two of the games he’s dressed for while posting a single assist in his first North American foray.

In an effort to keep things amicable, Rangers brass worked with Kravtsov’s agent on the move rather than keep him in an unhappy situation, Brooks reports. The 2018 first-round pick (No. 9 overall) is eligible to be recalled by the Rangers at any point this season.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/25/rangers-prospect-vitali-kravtsov-heading-back-to-russia/



Is there a lesson in there for the Habs in respect of how they're going to handle Romanov if he decides to sign with Montreal next season? If he didn't make the team, he too could ask for an out clause so he doesn't spend any time in Laval.

Thoughts?

Id be ok if it had the same recall clause as Kratsov's

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

wish he produced more but still a 19 year old in the 2nd best league in the world. Hopefully he can show more flashes. Even if it doesn't come I think he can still be a boost to our D corps.

 

[Zine]

This news item had me thinking. If it happened with Kravtsov, could it not occur with Romanov?



Kravtsov, 19, was scratched for the second game of the season in Hartford and sat for long stretches in two of the games he’s dressed for while posting a single assist in his first North American foray.

In an effort to keep things amicable, Rangers brass worked with Kravtsov’s agent on the move rather than keep him in an unhappy situation, Brooks reports. The 2018 first-round pick (No. 9 overall) is eligible to be recalled by the Rangers at any point this season.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/25/rangers-prospect-vitali-kravtsov-heading-back-to-russia/



Is there a lesson in there for the Habs in respect of how they're going to handle Romanov if he decides to sign with Montreal next season? If he didn't make the team, he too could ask for an out clause so he doesn't spend any time in Laval.

Thoughts?

The majority of established KHLers who sign in the NHL have this clause in their contract. I don't see why Romanov would request any different.

 

[Vachon23]

wish he produced more but still a 19 year old in the 2nd best league in the world. Hopefully he can show more flashes. Even if it doesn't come I think he can still be a boost to our D corps.

I just think he doesn’t have that much offensive tools.His production is starting to be a concern, Mete is producing more in the NHL then Romanov is right know in the KHL

 

[montreal]

I just think he doesn’t have that much offensive tools.His production is starting to be a concern, Mete is producing more in the NHL then Romanov is right know in the KHL

I wouldn't compare them though as Romanov is playing 12:28 per game. He's been used a lot as a 7th D this year, other times a 5th or 6th. He's playing his off-position as well.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I just think he doesn’t have that much offensive tools.His production is starting to be a concern, Mete is producing more in the NHL then Romanov is right know in the KHL

It is impossible to assert any correlation between his stats and his skill. The KHL is a spectacle of incompetence and it is important to watch the games and not rely on stats to evaluate players.

The WJC will provide a more telling glimpse than the asinine decisions of his KHL team. This of course will be a tiny sample size and we will likely have to wait until next season for him to come over and be properly evaluated.

 

[Kunta Kinte]

I wouldn't compare them though as Romanov is playing 12:28 per game. He's been used a lot as a 7th D this year, other times a 5th or 6th. He's playing his off-position as well.

What a great way to develop a kid... Cant wait til he gets time in NA.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The majority of established KHLers who sign in the NHL have this clause in their contract. I don't see why Romanov would request any different.

what about his current contract?

 

[Habs Halifax]

I just think he doesn’t have that much offensive tools.His production is starting to be a concern, Mete is producing more in the NHL then Romanov is right know in the KHL

Yeah but Romanov produced more in the WJC at 18 than Mete at 19?

Mete is playing more minutes in the NHL vs Romanov in the KHL

Romanov is working on his overall game and he is still being sheltered. I love his shut down abilities and how he plays physical!

 

[Vachon23]

It is impossible to assert any correlation between his stats and his skill. The KHL is a spectacle of incompetence and it is important to watch the games and not rely on stats to evaluate players.

The WJC will provide a more telling glimpse than the asinine decisions of his KHL team. This of course will be a tiny sample size and we will likely have to wait until next season for him to come over and be properly evaluated.

I know it wasn’t the best comparison but still 7 points in 64 games is not alote, and when I look at him I don’t see the offensive tools. Doesn’t mean I think he won’t be good, I just think he won’t be an offensive guy.

Yeah but Romanov produced more in the WJC at 18 than Mete at 19?

Mete is playing more minutes in the NHL vs Romanov in the KHL

Romanov is working on his overall game and he is still being sheltered. I love his shut down abilities and how he plays physical!

WJC is a 2 week tournament. For the minutes, Mete is playing in a WAY better league. Not saying he’s not good but I just think he’s not better then Mete

 

[Scintillating10]

I wouldn't compare them though as Romanov is playing 12:28 per game. He's been used a lot as a 7th D this year, other times a 5th or 6th. He's playing his off-position as well.

Sounds best for Romanov to get out of Russia. His skating is outstanding. He could really blossom under the right development

 

[Adam Michaels]

This news item had me thinking. If it happened with Kravtsov, could it not occur with Romanov?



Kravtsov, 19, was scratched for the second game of the season in Hartford and sat for long stretches in two of the games he’s dressed for while posting a single assist in his first North American foray.

In an effort to keep things amicable, Rangers brass worked with Kravtsov’s agent on the move rather than keep him in an unhappy situation, Brooks reports. The 2018 first-round pick (No. 9 overall) is eligible to be recalled by the Rangers at any point this season.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/25/rangers-prospect-vitali-kravtsov-heading-back-to-russia/



Is there a lesson in there for the Habs in respect of how they're going to handle Romanov if he decides to sign with Montreal next season? If he didn't make the team, he too could ask for an out clause so he doesn't spend any time in Laval.

Thoughts?

The Habs can't look at the Rangers' situation with Kravtsov and have second thoughts. Romanov could very well end up doing what Kravtsov is doing. But the Habs can't let that dissuade them from wanting to sign Romanov and bring him over here.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

The Habs can't look at the Rangers' situation with Kravtsov and have second thoughts. Romanov could very well end up doing what Kravtsov is doing. But the Habs can't let that dissuade them from wanting to sign Romanov and bring him over here.

I think the fact that Romanov would be in his D+3 next year should not be overlooked. As it is, Kravtsov is only in his D+1 and he wouldn't be first 19 year old struggling in the AHL. Hell, Boqvist has been struggling too for Chicago.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

It is impossible to assert any correlation between his stats and his skill. The KHL is a spectacle of incompetence and it is important to watch the games and not rely on stats to evaluate players.

The WJC will provide a more telling glimpse than the asinine decisions of his KHL team. This of course will be a tiny sample size and we will likely have to wait until next season for him to come over and be properly evaluated.

I've never been a huge believer in Romanov's offensive tools but I agree it's still way too early to say. Even if he's not a big producer I like his game so much anyways.

I know it wasn’t the best comparison but still 7 points in 64 games is not alote, and when I look at him I don’t see the offensive tools. Doesn’t mean I think he won’t be good, I just think he won’t be an offensive guy.




WJC is a 2 week tournament. For the minutes, Mete is playing in a WAY better league. Not saying he’s not good but I just think he’s not better then Mete

Hard to say but I was never wholly convinced that Romanov was this absolute future stud while Mete was a borderline NHLer. I hate to say it but Mete COULD ultimately be the better D but that could just be that Mete actually ends up quite good. It's just not obvious to me that one will be better than the other at this point.

 

[montreal]

What a great way to develop a kid... Cant wait til he gets time in NA.

they don't have any interest in developing him for another team, they are trying to win another KHL championship. That's why hopefully he doesn't re-sign with them and comes over next year.

what about his current contract?

what about it?

 

[GHJimmy]

How much is he making a year in the KHL? I heard they sometimes make 1,000-500,000 I'm not sure if it's true. But forsure better players make more millions over there. I can't wait to see him in a habs jersey if he decides to come over.

 

[bsl]

Blessing in disguise if he ends up being forced to stay in KHL another 2-3 years. Stops Montreal from rushing him and lets him potentially develop in KHL into a star D first.

Another 2 to 3 years? Lol.

 

[Vern]

Without having ever watched him play i can without a doubt say he's better than mete. There;s a reason why one is a top prospect and the other kinda came out of no where. I trust the scouts.
To me , seeing that he's being used as a 7th d and getting 12 mins a night, 100% he's dying to get over here and step right into top 6 nhl with legions of adoring fans, fighting to get an insane rfa contract.

 

[Lebowski]

Without having ever watched him play i can without a doubt say he's better than mete. There;s a reason why one is a top prospect and the other kinda came out of no where. I trust the scouts.
To me , seeing that he's being used as a 7th d and getting 12 mins a night, 100% he's dying to get over here and step right into top 6 nhl with legions of adoring fans, fighting to get an insane rfa contract.

Seems like a trustworthy take on the subject.