Player Discussion Alexander Ovechkin (Vol. 3)

[StrikingDistance]

Translation: "We'll announce it the day after the ED".

So that gives this board plenty of time to speculate, worry, and possibly panic.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Also, "It'll be a cold day in hell before I lose my cash cow so I'm paying him whatever he wants to make sure he's going nowhere."

 

[Calicaps]

Also, "It'll be a cold day in hell before I lose my cash cow so I'm paying him whatever he wants to make sure he's going nowhere."

This. Though I also think Ted genuinely loves Alex.

 

[kicksavedave]

So that gives this board plenty of time to speculate, worry, and possibly panic.

Its what we do... its all we do!

 

[StrikingDistance]

I have a feeling I'll be using this one numerous times.

 

[ovikovy817]

6th player in NHL history to score 800 goals (regular season + playoffs)

1. Gretzky 1016
2. Howe 869
T-3. Brett Hull 844
T-3. Jagr 844
5. Messier 803
6. Ovechkin 800

 

[Dominance]

6th player in NHL history to score 800 goals (regular season + playoffs)

1. Gretzky 1016
2. Howe 869
T-3. Brett Hull 844
T-3. Jagr 844
5. Messier 803
6. Ovechkin 800

It is pretty ridiculous that some people insist on acting as though the position of “best goal scorer of all time” is not clear-cut by now. Ovi will indubitably finish second on that list, and comparing goaltenders today to what was faced by other names on that list is just night and day.

 

[BallardEra]

Any chance Ovechkin and the team move on from each other if the Caps lose again in the 1st round?

 

[Hivemind]

Any chance Ovechkin and the team move on from each other if the Caps lose again in the 1st round?

Nope

 

[max21]

Nope

How’re you so sure about this? Not trying to make this a doom and gloom post but with another playoff exit it could put some doubt in his mind even if he’s stated he wants to finish in Washington. His family might want to move to sunny FL or CA for all we know, I obviously want him to stay but don’t see why it’s out of context to think it’s a possibility of him going elsewhere. No one thought Brady would leave, until he did

 

[Hivemind]

How’re you so sure about this? Not trying to make this a doom and gloom post but with another playoff exit it could put some doubt in his mind even if he’s stated he wants to finish in Washington. His family might want to move to sunny FL or CA for all we know, I obviously want him to stay but don’t see why it’s out of context to think it’s a possibility of him going elsewhere. No one thought Brady would leave, until he did

Brady left when the Patriots made it clear they wanted to move on from him.

That's not happening in DC.

 

[max21]

Brady left when the Patriots made it clear they wanted to move on from him.

That's not happening in DC.

Fair, all I’m saying is it takes just one bad meeting where Ovi says f*** this I’m out. I obviously want him to stay, I’d rather the caps suck than see him in another jersey. I just think it’s possibly

 

[CapsDC]

Fair, all I’m saying is it takes just one bad meeting where Ovi says f*** this I’m out. I obviously want him to stay, I’d rather the caps suck than see him in another jersey. I just think it’s possibly

There's always a possibility Ovi could bail and go to another NHL team, since he's a free agent. Not like they can franchise tag him like in football. Seems unlikely to me but how knows. The team most certainly will want to keep him in a Capitals uniform until he retires, hopefully with the goal scoring record. I'm fine with that, even if it delays the inevitable rebuild. Ovi is one of the best ever and will be the greatest Capital ever so I'm happy with putting off rebuilding to watch him finish his career here.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

If Ovi decides to leave the Caps, it will be to go back to Russia, I'm 95% sure of that. I'm also 95% sure that he's staying. That puts the probability of him wearing another NHL jersey next season down to 0.25%.

 

[Brian23]

I think the team has to be semi-worried about delaying signing him to the point where other teams could contact him. Sure, Ovi is the Caps and he could have no inkling to want to move on but what if some other teams come in and blow him away with offers? If a good young team comes in and tells him "Will give you 12 million for 3 years, go win a cup with us." do you think he'd not at least think about it?

A small part of me wonders if that'd be better for us. I love Ovi, and I love what he's done for this team and this city with putting hockey on the map, but I'm much more worried about an Ovi contract a few years down the line than I am say an Oshie one. 5 years at 10 million-plus is gonna look real bad, and I thought the indicators were that 10 million was a low floor on a potential deal.

 

[Raikkonen]

Whats the market rate for 0,5gpg player nowadays? I mean, he managed to score 2 goals this playoffs while playing injured on a team full of dead bodies. 10 mil for Ovechkin isnt looking wrong at all.

 

[AussieCapsFan]

Whats the market rate for 0,5gpg player nowadays? I mean, he managed to score 2 goals this playoffs while playing injured on a team full of dead bodies. 10 mil for Ovechkin isnt looking wrong at all.

I'm hoping you're being sarcastic. He scored a PP goal in game 3 on a pass from Mantha, and the 2nd goal was a deflection off a Boston player on a shot that broke his stick and was missing the net by 6 feet.

Anyway he isn't going to be paid based on his production compared to other players around the league. At this point in his career he's being paid because he is a "brand" and his ability to sell tickets and merchandise.

 

[Raikkonen]

I'm hoping you're being sarcastic. He scored a PP goal in game 3 on a pass from Mantha, and the 2nd goal was a deflection off a Boston player on a shot that broke his stick and was missing the net by 6 feet.

Anyway he isn't going to be paid based on his production compared to other players around the league. At this point in his career he's being paid because he is a "brand" and his ability to sell tickets and merchandise.

Ive asked whats the market rate in your opinion?
I thought only Matthews had better gpg this season even if in Canadian division.

 

[895]

Ive asked whats the market rate in your opinion?
I thought only Matthews had better gpg this season even if in Canadian division.

Not even close. Ovechkins goals/game at 0.54 puts him at 34th .

You might be thinking of Daniel Sprong, who had the 2nd most ES goals/60 after Matthews.

 

[895]

Btw if you assume Ovechkin does everything else at about the same capacity as those 33 other players and therefore think he should the 34th highest paid forward in the league...


That gives him market rate of 7.5m. That's assuming he doesn't decline at all over those 5 years which obviously isn't a safe assumption at all.

 

[CapsDC]

If Ovi decides to leave the Caps, it will be to go back to Russia, I'm 95% sure of that. I'm also 95% sure that he's staying. That puts the probability of him wearing another NHL jersey next season down to 0.25%.

In terms of next season, I would say it's far more likely he'd pick another NHL team over Russia. I know the Russians often go back to the KHL to play out their last few years but he wants to keep chasing the all-time goals record. Re-signing w/ the Caps still seems like by far the likeliest outcome though.

 

[AussieCapsFan]

Not even close. Ovechkins goals/game at 0.54 puts him at 34th .

You might be thinking of Daniel Sprong, who had the 2nd most ES goals/60 after Matthews.

Actually you are both wrong. Here are the goals per game - so he's 8th. And it's the 4th lowest G/PG of his 16 year career.

 

[AussieCapsFan]

Ive asked whats the market rate in your opinion?

I have no idea what the market rate is, but I think there are teams who wouldn't be interested in signing him, and there are teams who would overpay to sign him (because he would sell tickets and jerseys).

He isn't really the kind of player you can treat as 1:1 on a pay scale. I don't think you look at the table above and say "well he's 8th in GPG so we pay him more than 9 and less than 7".

I also think the entire conversation about market rate is a waste of time because he simply is NOT going to another team. So he gets paid what he asks for. If he truly wants to win another Cup then he will need to accept a deal that allows the team to remain competitive.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

I think the team has to be semi-worried about delaying signing him to the point where other teams could contact him. Sure, Ovi is the Caps and he could have no inkling to want to move on but what if some other teams come in and blow him away with offers? If a good young team comes in and tells him "Will give you 12 million for 3 years, go win a cup with us." do you think he'd not at least think about it?

A small part of me wonders if that'd be better for us. I love Ovi, and I love what he's done for this team and this city with putting hockey on the map, but I'm much more worried about an Ovi contract a few years down the line than I am say an Oshie one. 5 years at 10 million-plus is gonna look real bad, and I thought the indicators were that 10 million was a low floor on a potential deal.

He can always decline and tell them I want to be a Cap forever or retire.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

I have no idea what the market rate is, but I think there are teams who wouldn't be interested in signing him, and there are teams who would overpay to sign him (because he would sell tickets and jerseys).

He isn't really the kind of player you can treat as 1:1 on a pay scale. I don't think you look at the table above and say "well he's 8th in GPG so we pay him more than 9 and less than 7".

I also think the entire conversation about market rate is a waste of time because he simply is NOT going to another team. So he gets paid what he asks for. If he truly wants to win another Cup then he will need to accept a deal that allows the team to remain competitive.

Every team in the NHL would try to sign him. He's instant ticket sales and still on the path to breaking more records. Those HF posters who say otherwise on the mains are lying.