Why wouldn't Dubas want him back? He traded for him. It will depend on the cost.Today I read that Brenden wanted Clifford re-signed. My question
is does Dubass want him back. And if not re-signed does that put
a wrench between Brenden and Kyle?
This is true, but that is a very small sample.I dont even remember when we got Hyman, but it seems it was so long ago .. almost before Dubas (or at least when Babcock was helping him). He also bought an army of midgets like Malgin. The problem is Marner .. Tavares .. they dont play with heart.. no grit, no hits... it seems Marner is more concerned with his paycheck than actually winning the Cup. Tavares seems like he wants to win, but he is just too washed up now most nights. He shines like 1 in 5 games for 11M. Look at Boston - they show up every game day. Even the players said they are not motivated when they play with weaker teams ...A blatant false and tired narrative.... this is the guy who has traded for Hyman, Muzzin and Clifford... he wants guys who can play hockey first.
Another false narrative. C'mon people.legitimately scared dubas gives him a shit contract
This is true, but that is a very small sample.I dont even remember when we got Hyman, but it seems it was so long ago .. almost before Dubas (or at least when Babcock was helping him). He also bought an army of midgets like Malgin. The problem is Marner .. Tavares .. they dont play with heart.. no grit, no hits... it seems Marner is more concerned with his paycheck than actually winning the Cup. Tavares seems like he wants to win, but he is just too washed up now most nights. He shines like 1 in 5 games for 11M. Look at Boston - they show up every game day. Even the players said they are not motivated when they play with weaker teams ...
Why would Clifford sign a shit contract with Toronto when he could sign a good contract with someone else?legitimately scared dubas gives him a shit contract
Why would Clifford sign a shit contract with Toronto when he could sign a good contract with someone else?
This is true, but that is a very small sample.I dont even remember when we got Hyman, but it seems it was so long ago .. almost before Dubas (or at least when Babcock was helping him). He also bought an army of midgets like Malgin. The problem is Marner .. Tavares .. they dont play with heart.. no grit, no hits... it seems Marner is more concerned with his paycheck than actually winning the Cup. Tavares seems like he wants to win, but he is just too washed up now most nights. He shines like 1 in 5 games for 11M. Look at Boston - they show up every game day. Even the players said they are not motivated when they play with weaker teams ...
This one I don’t think I will like. They are suggesting 3x2 ish......
I can’t see spending that on a 10 min player
Lily is already much better then Marincin. That guy is a turnover machine when pressured and has ZERO physical game to stop da cycle. A complete waste of time. I can't understand everyone who says his analytics are OK. Watch da game he absolutely sucks.You are stuck with Marincin, he is cheap... and you hope that Liljegren is ready before the season ends... not the bone crushing guy you want, but he ends up being a good player for us LT.
To me when Matty and Kappy can feel free to play a physical game then it says everything I need to know. But we can't get a stiff who can't skate. Clifford can skate and forecheck. and he can play on a 3rd or 4th line today. and he is a vet leader. and he is good friends with Muzzy. he is a perfect fit. You may feel guys like him are a dime a dozen but truth is they aren't as Shanny explained in his presser yesterday. Character guys are so so difficult to come by. Especially guys who can fit in.I h
I Hope you realize the league is flushing out mid career players at a record pace , more and more draft picks are moving straight into the league and younger players are getting bigger deals forcing the middle and lower paid players down hard . Clifford was a great throw in but re-signing him ups the ante on the draft pick when we can get 3 more of him at league minimum or even off the waiver wire without changing the pick .
Agreed, but you will be called a relic for not going by spreadsheets only.To me when Matty and Kappy can feel free to play a physical game then it says everything I need to know. But we can't get a stiff who can't skate. Clifford can skate and forecheck. and he can play on a 3rd or 4th line today. and he is a vet leader. and he is good friends with Muzzy. he is a perfect fit. You may feel guys like him are a dime a dozen but truth is they aren't as Shanny explained in his presser yesterday. Character guys are so so difficult to come by. Especially guys who can fit in.
etter guys than him are a dime a dozen , we could have had Kovalchuk twice this year for nothing signed at league minimum but passed , just because our mangement team and your expert eyes don't see these guys doesn't mean they aren't out there and if you think Clifford is fit to even carry Kovi's jock strap then theres really no point discussing anything with you
Who cares what Brenden thinks, it's what Brendan thinks that's important. Kyle Dubas likely concurs with Brendan, and, is not likely concerned with what Brenden thinks.Today I read that Brenden wanted Clifford re-signed. My question
is does Dubass want him back. And if not re-signed does that put
a wrench between Brenden and Kyle?
We don't need any more skater boys with hands. We have plenty of them. Hockey requires the correct match of skills. D partners need to be a match. Forward lines need to be a match. Too many people just look at analytics alone on a per player basis. Well that is a recipe for disaster in hockey. It has worked for successful Stanley Cup teams for many years. Shutt played with Guy. Gilles played with bossy. Tik played with Kurri. Wilson plays with Ovi. Hyman plays with Marner/Willy it does not matter.Except he's not that great a skater and his hands are terrible , he's 29 years old and played all 11 years of his pro career on the 4th line , he's never cracked a top 9 let alone a top 6 slot and thers zero chance of him ever getting any better . Better guys than him are a dime a dozen , we could have had Kovalchuk twice this year for nothing signed at league minimum but passed , just because our mangement team and your expert eyes don't see these guys doesn't mean they aren't out there and if you think Clifford is fit to even carry Kovi's jock strap then theres really no point discussing anything with you , you'll just drag me down to your level and beat me with experience . We unfortunately will probably re-sign this pylon not because of any perceived ability on his part but rather because he was Dumbas's first client as an agent . 61 goals 132 points in the NHL over an 11 year career ! yeah thats the guy we should piss away picks and cap to re-sign riiiiiiight .
If that is the proposed ask by Clifford's agent then maybe KD will meet somewhere in the middle: 2 x 1.4?
Takes all kinds of players to make up a Team. Leafs have a solid top 6, they don't need to add players that can play top 6.Except he's not that great a skater and his hands are terrible , he's 29 years old and played all 11 years of his pro career on the 4th line , he's never cracked a top 9 let alone a top 6 slot and thers zero chance of him ever getting any better . Better guys than him are a dime a dozen , we could have had Kovalchuk twice this year for nothing signed at league minimum but passed , just because our mangement team and your expert eyes don't see these guys doesn't mean they aren't out there and if you think Clifford is fit to even carry Kovi's jock strap then theres really no point discussing anything with you , you'll just drag me down to your level and beat me with experience . We unfortunatley will probably re-sign this pylon not because of any perceived ability on his part but rather because he was Dumbas's first client as an agent . 61 goals 132 points in the NHL over an 11 year career ! yeah thats the guy we should piss away picks and cap to re-sign riiiiiiight .
Close to home and family and his buddy Muzzy and their wives ... the gig is up in LA they are breaking it up ... wait to see if the third amigo comes from LA but he will likely be too expensive on our CAP ... but you never know AJ, Rielly and a Bracco who knows it is not beyond realm of possibility but I still don't think it is wise ... then we have to win Cup in 2-3 yearsWhy would Clifford sign a shit contract with Toronto when he could sign a good contract with someone else?
You are right! I am sorry my friend, I am just frustrated and no hockey doesn’t help!Come on. This is so cynical. You're generalizing Marner's short career (as a hockey mercenary), and ignoring Tavares' career as though he's never been part of the Olympics, World Cup, or World Championship. On a down year Tavares was still going to likely achieve 30 plus goals and over 70 points. Is he really lacking compete and heart?