trick9
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Ovechkin will free up more cap room. Trade him.
I would rather than trade Holtby.
Neither is getting traded though. Rightfully so.
Ovechkin will free up more cap room. Trade him.
Con: As RH points out Holtby gave up a 40 foot wrist shot to Kessel for the first goal in game 6. His overall stats in the playoffs and largely, his play has been outstanding. Facts are that Cup winning goalies cant give that goal up.
I don't think anyone here wouldn't trade Holtby for Crosby or McDavid, it's this statement:
that I'm disagreeing with. Every statistical measure shows that he has been a top 5 goalie for his entire career, including when you adjust for shot quality (taking team effects out of the equation). Lundqvist, Price, and maybe Schneider are the only ones who I think have been consistently better.
Cory Schneider has never won 28 games in a season in his career, and he's 3½ years older. Holtby just turned 27 recently and he's had 89 wins in his last 2 full seasons. That's nearly as much as Cory Schneider has wins in his career. Wins are a team stat to a degree, sure, but in terms of holding a lead for his team, this is ridiculously lopsided debate in favor of Holtby.
Yes they can, and that's demonstrated by Murray giving up several questionable goals throughout last season's run especially against Tampa Bay and San Jose. Giving up a goal in the first period to go down 1-0 isn't the death knell of a Cup-winning team. The Capitals consistently play not to lose and asking your goalie to be perfect is not a formula for success. Every goalie gives up soft goals, Holtby does so with less frequency than almost every other goalie.
(mod) Murray has been one of the better goalies in the league since last year and he completely destroyed the AHL when he was there. Murray won despite having a barely NHL level defense in front of him and 1-1/2 forward lines bailing him out when he wasn't spinning on his head. This post is dumbfounding.I just think goalies are grossly overrated. Pens just won the cup with a AHL goalie. We have a goalie with all time playoff stats yet has a losing record and never got past the 2nd round. And falls short in every big game
Twabs, we are talking about the Capitals Not just some generic team. The Caps have a taller hump to get over than the other team. The Caps lost game 6 because their reliable goalie gave up a soft goal early to give the home team the lead. Then their top defensive defenseman blew out his groin. They the 2nd best defensive defenseman took a double minor resulting in 2ppg's against.
The soft goal and the double minor/awful pk should never have happened. I know you like to blame Orpik. You cant pass Holtby at the same time.
Wouldn't it be awesome if Ovy had a resurgence like Crosby is having?
/cry
Wouldn't it be awesome if Ovy had a resurgence like Crosby is having?
/cry
I just think goalies are grossly overrated. Pens just won the cup with a AHL goalie. We have a goalie with all time playoff stats yet has a losing record and never got past the 2nd round. And falls short in every big game
The ONE thing that all Cup winning teams have is a great goaltender. Whether it's a guy playing out of his mind for one magical run or a stalwart who's consistent. Plenty of teams load up on offensive and defensive talent among their skaters but never go anywhere.
So why would we roll the dice on shuffling the deck with the skaters if it means removing the most solid piece we have for a Cup run? It doesn't make sense from a risk/reward standpoint. The better option is to get the talent we have among the skaters to actually play up to their potential in the playoffs like Holtby has for most of his career.
Wouldn't it be awesome if Ovy had a resurgence like Crosby is having?
He could easily get at least 10 extra assists yearly (based on talent, not current system), which would be difference between top-5 in points and top-15 in points.Wait, so back to back to back 50 goal seasons, four Rockets in a row and Ovechkin needs to have a "resurgence"?
Unbelievable.
Product of the system?! The system doesn't work without 70.
Ah, wrong. The one thing all Cup winning teams have is a true, bone fide number one dman (Carolina being the only exception in the last 20 years). Lidstrom, Keith, Doughty, Letang, Chara, Stevens, Pronger, Neidermeyer, they are the key.
Wait, so back to back to back 50 goal seasons, four Rockets in a row and Ovechkin needs to have a "resurgence"?
Unbelievable.
Ovi no doubt isn't playing at his full capacity. For starters he hits everything in sight when he is on his game. He has his moments. The St Louis game with the hat trick for example. He got the early goal and just had a look about him that he wasn't done. I remember saying that to my brother during the game but I said he would get two goals and come close to a hat trick with a few deadly chances. Proved me wrong with that deadly shot lol.
He's saving it for the stretch run imo.
He could easily get at least 10 extra assists yearly (based on talent, not current system), which would be difference between top-5 in points and top-15 in points.
14 pp assists in the last two seasons. I mean, c'mon
Power play assists:
Season | PPA
2016-17|2
2015-16|5
2014-15|9
2011-12|10
2012-13|11
2013-14|15
2007-08|15
2010-11|17
2006-07|21
2009-10|23
2008-09|27
2005-06|31
The "system" Trotz is using worked in Nashville with Vokoun, Mason, Rinne and just about everyone they threw there. He left and Rinne took a dive off the face of the Earth. It's been working more than fine with Grubauer here. We have one of the more goalie friendly systems in the league.
We're the St. Louis Blues of the East, who also managed to get Elliott stupid good numbers with their system as he's being exposed in Calgary now.
If Gruby starts outplaying Holtby they need to have the balls to ride him like Rangers are doing with Raanta
Does his current points pace even feel like he's treading water? Put away the faux outrage and face life. He's trending downward considerably this season so far overall. Not criticizing, just saying it would be nice to see an explosion back to previous glory days.