Prospect Info: 2021 NHL Draft Thread Vol. 1

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Not that I think “tanking” is an issue but at the same time I wouldn’t necessarily hate something like that either. Incentivize winning so I & others don’t have to sit here around this time wishing my favorite team losses for the sake of draft position.

But winning is inherently incentivized - that's what the fans want, that's what makes the fans happy, that's (partially) what keeps your players satisfied. When a team tanks, it is in order to get better and start winning in the future, to give yourself a chance at championships. I think people lose sight of that fact. Temporarily losing isn't the end of the world, and it doesn't illegitimize the sport or something. It cycles the teams at the top (or should, with competent management) and keeps hope alive.

 

[Rebels57]

13th pick heading into the Lotto.

 

[The Madrigal]

13th pick heading into the Lotto.

Do they have the 14th best odds to move up in the lottery, or 13th. I ask because if I am not mistaken the Flyers are actually 14, but move up to 13 since the Coyotes lose their pick. Knowing the NHL they would do something stupid like keep the Coyotes in the lottery and if they win and move up their pick is a FF in the new spot as opposed to just not having them in the lottery.

 

[Rebels57]

Do they have the 14th best odds to move up in the lottery, or 13th. I ask because if I am not mistaken the Flyers are actually 14, but move up to 13 since the Coyotes lose their pick. Knowing the NHL they would do something stupid like keep the Coyotes in the lottery and if they win and move up their pick is a FF in the new spot as opposed to just not having them in the lottery.

No idea, but you have to factor in the Kraken as well.

 

[The Madrigal]

No idea, but you have to factor in the Kraken as well.

Tankathon has everything updated after tonight

PICK	TEAM	RECORD	PTS	PPG	RW	STREAK	L10	TOP 2	#1 OVR
1	Buffalo	15-34-7	37	0.661	11	Lost 2	3-7-0	34.9%	18.5%
2	Anaheim	17-30-9	43	0.768	11	Lost 2	3-5-2	26.5%	13.5%
3	Seattle							22.8%	11.5%
4	New Jersey	19-30-7	45	0.804	15	Lost 2	5-4-1	19.1%	9.5%
5	Columbus	18-26-12	48	0.857	12	Won 1	3-4-3	17.2%	8.5%
6	Detroit	19-27-10	48	0.857	16	Lost 1	3-3-4	15.3%	7.5%
7	San Jose	21-27-7	49	0.891	15	Lost 2	3-5-2	13.3%	6.5%
8	Ottawa	22-28-5	49	0.891	18	Lost 1	7-2-1	12.3%	6.0%
9	Vancouver	21-26-3	45	0.900	15	Won 1	3-7-0	9.3%	4.5%
10	Los Angeles	21-26-6	48	0.906	19	Lost 2	4-6-0	7.3%	3.5%
11	Calgary	23-26-3	49	0.942	20	Won 1	5-5-0	6.3%	3.0%
12	Arizona Forfeited	24-26-6	54	0.964	19	Won 2	4-5-1	5.2%	2.5%
13	Chicago	24-25-7	55	0.982	15	Lost 1	3-5-2	4.2%	2.0%
14	Philadelphia	25-23-8	58	1.036	17	Won 1	4-5-1	3.2%	1.5%
15	Dallas	23-19-14	60	1.071	17	Won 1	4-4-2	2.1%	1.0%
16	NY Rangers	27-23-6	60	1.071	24	Won 1	4-6-0	1.1%	0.5%

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[Rebels57]

Tankathon has everything updated after tonight

PICK	TEAM	RECORD	PTS	PPG	RW	STREAK	L10	TOP 2	#1 OVR
1	Buffalo	15-34-7	37	0.661	11	Lost 2	3-7-0	34.9%	18.5%
2	Anaheim	17-30-9	43	0.768	11	Lost 2	3-5-2	26.5%	13.5%
3	Seattle							22.8%	11.5%
4	New Jersey	19-30-7	45	0.804	15	Lost 2	5-4-1	19.1%	9.5%
5	Columbus	18-26-12	48	0.857	12	Won 1	3-4-3	17.2%	8.5%
6	Detroit	19-27-10	48	0.857	16	Lost 1	3-3-4	15.3%	7.5%
7	San Jose	21-27-7	49	0.891	15	Lost 2	3-5-2	13.3%	6.5%
8	Ottawa	22-28-5	49	0.891	18	Lost 1	7-2-1	12.3%	6.0%
9	Vancouver	21-26-3	45	0.900	15	Won 1	3-7-0	9.3%	4.5%
10	Los Angeles	21-26-6	48	0.906	19	Lost 2	4-6-0	7.3%	3.5%
11	Calgary	23-26-3	49	0.942	20	Won 1	5-5-0	6.3%	3.0%
12	Arizona Forfeited	24-26-6	54	0.964	19	Won 2	4-5-1	5.2%	2.5%
13	Chicago	24-25-7	55	0.982	15	Lost 1	3-5-2	4.2%	2.0%
14	Philadelphia	25-23-8	58	1.036	17	Won 1	4-5-1	3.2%	1.5%
15	Dallas	23-19-14	60	1.071	17	Won 1	4-4-2	2.1%	1.0%
16	NY Rangers	27-23-6	60	1.071	24	Won 1	4-6-0	1.1%	0.5%

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Welp, there it is. 14th best odds. 13th pick.

 

[The Madrigal]

Also, according to tankathon, the Coyotes will remain in the draft lottery, and if they were to win there will be a re draw. This means the Flyers have the 14th best odds, not 13th. The new rules for the lottery also suck considering they are going from doing 3 picks to only 2.

 

[IronMarshal]

13th pick heading into the Lotto.

Yes, so they will pick 13, 0r 4, or 5 (depending on the lottery balls, they are 14 for the lottery)

 

[IronMarshal]

Also, according to tankathon, the Coyotes will remain in the draft lottery, and if they were to win there will be a re draw. This means the Flyers have the 14th best odds, not 13th. The new rules for the lottery also suck considering they are going from doing 3 picks to only 2.

I just ran about 10 sims and Jersey moved up to the top 2 in half of them

 

[BigToe]

Has a first round pick ever been traded for a future first straight up?

 

[Rebels57]

I just ran about 10 sims and Jersey moved up to the top 2 in half of them

2nd run and Chicago moved up from 12 to 1

 

[pit]

Here's the Button clickbait rankings - Craig’s List: Defencemen dominate top of NHL draft prospect rankings - TSN.ca

Sure, let's put L'Heureux and Svechkov in the top 10, why not?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Here's the Button clickbait rankings - Craig’s List: Defencemen dominate top of NHL draft prospect rankings - TSN.ca

Sure, let's put L'Heureux and Svechkov in the top 10, why not?

Svechkov is really good, but yeah probably more solid than star.

Surprised he had Clarke over Edvinsson after all of the drooling in the tournament.

 

[Larry44]

We need a C at 13:
Minnesota boy Chaz Lucius looks pretty good: Scouting Report: Chaz Lucius - Smaht Scouting
Other options:
Scouting Report: Mason McTavish - Smaht Scouting
Scouting Report: Cole Sillinger - Smaht Scouting
Scouting Report: Kent Johnson - Smaht Scouting

Thanks to Alex and the team at Home - Smaht Scouting for all the scouting work!

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

If we ended up with Kent Johnson, that would be f***ing wild.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

We need a C at 13:
Minnesota boy Chaz Lucius looks pretty good: Scouting Report: Chaz Lucius - Smaht Scouting
Other options:
Scouting Report: Mason McTavish - Smaht Scouting
Scouting Report: Cole Sillinger - Smaht ScoutingScouting Report: Kent Johnson - Smaht Scouting

Thanks to Alex and the team at Home - Smaht Scouting for all the scouting work!

Wasn't that MacTavish who took those two stupid penalties in the third period of the GM game - #23 I think? I wasn't crazy about him in that game, but that's the only time I watched him.

 

[BigToe]

Here's the Button clickbait rankings - Craig’s List: Defencemen dominate top of NHL draft prospect rankings - TSN.ca

Sure, let's put L'Heureux and Svechkov in the top 10, why not?

Lysell at 27 makes zero sense

 

[Rebels57]

We need a C at 13:
Minnesota boy Chaz Lucius looks pretty good: Scouting Report: Chaz Lucius - Smaht Scouting
Other options:
Scouting Report: Mason McTavish - Smaht Scouting
Scouting Report: Cole Sillinger - Smaht ScoutingScouting Report: Kent Johnson - Smaht Scouting

Thanks to Alex and the team at Home - Smaht Scouting for all the scouting work!

If they draft someone named CHAZ from f***ing MINNESOTA I am going to drive my car through Fletcher's living room.

 

[Rebels57]

Wasn't that MacTavish who took those two stupid penalties in the third period of the GM game - #23 I think? I wasn't crazy about him in that game, but that's the only time I watched him.

Yeah, he seemed like a complete moron.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Lysell at 27 makes zero sense

He or Othmann for us would make me very happy.

 

[BigToe]

He or Othmann for us would make me very happy.

Haven’t seen Othmann yet, Cap.

 

[pit]

Svechkov is really good, but yeah probably more solid than star.

Surprised he had Clarke over Edvinsson after all of the drooling in the tournament.

Svechkov is indeed good but probably picked in the teens. He would be more of a mild reach into the top 10 than an outright impossibility (or stupidity) like L'Heureux would be.

I was also surprised to see him pick Clarke over Edvinsson based on his comments. Maybe it was Clarke scoring more at the U18s that made him hedge his bet?

 

[IronMarshal]

Yes, that is a bad list. I have to say Edvinsson is overrated by a lot of people IMO. There is something missing there. Jack Han had a good write up on him that is worth a read.

I'd take Clarke over him everyday, but that is just me and what do I know? I thought Nolan Patrick was going to be good, better than Hischer.

Svechkov is one of those solid 200 foot players. Samuel Helenius and he are a solid step or two below Berniers in that regard, but if you are looking for a 200 foot center they are your guys, and may be over drafted because of that.

Lucius is a good looking C/LW with scoring skill.

Othmann is a good player, but I think I remember reading he has some skating issues which should keep him out of the top 15.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Haven’t seen Othmann yet, Cap.

I only saw him once, Toe, so it's not a super informed opinion.

If the board falls wrong, I wouldn't mind trading back, or into 2022. I don't like the way it is expected to look around our pick. Chaz? Carson f***ing Lambos? Just no.

 

[BigToe]

I only saw him once, Toe, so it's not a super informed opinion.

If the board falls wrong, I wouldn't mind trading back, or into 2022. I don't like the way it is expected to look around our pick. Chaz? Carson f***ing Lambos? Just no.

If we don’t get Lysell I’m gonna be a sad toe, Cap.