2020 Roster and Fantasy GM Thread

[Hoghandler]

Priority 1. Markstrom
Priority 2. Tanev
Priority 3. Toffoli

Still have decisions on Leivo, Stecher & Motte.

I think the priorities remain to be seen. If Toffoli comes in and scores a PPG on the top line for example, you have to find a way to bring him back. Being the youngest of the 3 is a factor too, for a team in year 1 of it's competitive window.

Not to mention what happens if Demko posts a .920+ SV% down the stretch here? All of a sudden you're looking at a cheap, 24 year old netminder that could be a building block for long-term success. Would be tough to sign a 30+ Markstrom, only to be forced to deal Demko. Especially when you consider this organisation is built around a 20 and 21 year old...

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

I think the priorities remain to be seen. If Toffoli comes in and scores a PPG on the top line for example, you have to find a way to bring him back. Being the youngest of the 3 is a factor too, for a team in year 1 of it's competitive window.

Not to mention what happens if Demko posts a .920+ SV% down the stretch here? All of a sudden you're looking at a cheap, 24 year old netminder that could be a building block for long-term success. Would be tough to sign a 30+ Markstrom, only to be forced to deal Demko. Especially when you consider this organisation is built around a 20 and 21 year old...

Demko is the wild card, if he steps up his game here it’ll be huge for the Canucks in so many ways.

 

[Hoghandler]

Demko is the wild card, if he steps up his game here it’ll be huge for the Canucks in so many ways.

He is. But I also see Toffoli as a wildcard too. If he looks like another JT Miller type addition to the top line and 1st unit PP, how do you let him get away? He's a year older than Miller and should have a lot of good hockey left in him hopefully.

With the age of Tanev and Edler, the Canucks really need another young building block on defense. Moving Brock Boeser for that piece is the only realistic scenario I can envision. And that's a move you can only look at with Toffoli in the fold long-term.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Virtanen-2.5/3
Toffoli-5+
Tanev-5
Marky-5.5-6+
Gaudette.1.75-2.25
Motte-1

That’s basically in the range I had all of them pegged too. This is what I was thinking (give or take a little):
Virtanen @ $2.5M
Toffoli @ $5M
Tanev @ $5M
Gaudette @ $1.75M
Marky @ $6M
Motte @ $1.25M

realized I left stecher off this list... subconsciously knowing it’s doubtful we resign him, maybe?

 

[David71]

I think the priorities remain to be seen. If Toffoli comes in and scores a PPG on the top line for example, you have to find a way to bring him back. Being the youngest of the 3 is a factor too, for a team in year 1 of it's competitive window.

Not to mention what happens if Demko posts a .920+ SV% down the stretch here? All of a sudden you're looking at a cheap, 24 year old netminder that could be a building block for long-term success. Would be tough to sign a 30+ Markstrom, only to be forced to deal Demko. Especially when you consider this organisation is built around a 20 and 21 year old...

it'll be the schiender/Luongo situation again. smh. hope it doesn't come to that. if demmer proves he can be a number one. then mangement has to make a decision and hopefully its the "right call"

 

[Peen]

The real question that needs to be answered before you start bringing up re-signing Toffoli + Markstrom + Tanev is how we get rid of $15m in capspace. Still haven't seen an adequate proposal for how we get out of Myers and Eriksson with limited futures left to trade. The only way these guys have shown any ability to dump bad contracts is to mask the issue by bringing on someone else and hoping it works better.

 

[Canuck Luck]

Played around with capfriendly. We should be able to ice the same roster essentially.

Assuming cap is 83M+.

Traded Demko + Baerstchi to Minnesota for a 2nd round pick. (could be a 3rd if value is too high)
Traded Benn to Pittsburgh for DeSmith (DeSmith will be waived by the Pens to start next season. They get the depth d they wanted)
Let Josh Leivo walk

Re-sign Toffoli (5 x 5M)
Re-sign Markstrom (5 x 5M)
Re-sign Tanev (3 x 5M)
Re-sign Virtanen (1 x 2.5M)
Re-sign Stecher (1 x 2.5M)
Re-Sign Gaudette (1 x1.5M)
Re-sign Motte (2 x 1M)
Re-sign Fantenberg (2 x 900k)
Sign Tryamkin (1 x 2M)

Miller Pettersson Toffoli
Pearson Horvat Boeser
Ferland Gaudette Virtanen
Roussel Beagle Sutter
Motte

Hughes Myers
Edler Tanev
Tryamkin Stetcher

Markstrom
DeSmith

82.833M/83M

Run a 21 man roster with Eriksson and Fantenberg in the AHL. If Ferland is done that opens up enough cap space to call both guys up

Miller Pettersson Toffoli
Pearson Horvat Boeser
Roussel Gaudette Virtanen
Motte Beagle Sutter
Eriksson
Ferland (IR)

Hughes Myers
Edler Tanev
Tryamkin Stetcher
Fantenberg

Markstrom
DeSmith

This puts us over the cap and into LTIR leaving 2.7M to play with.

Now the cap hell comes in 2021-2022. Unless Petey signs for 9 or less and Hughes comes in at 7M. We can let Sutter and Pearson walk and use that to Sign Petey for 9M. Let Edler walk and sign Hughes for 7M. Not sure if it would work even while replacing Edler/Sutter/Stetcher/Pearson with sub 1M players and prospects and giving Tryamkin + Virtanen + Gaudette raises and bigger roles. Hopefully we can get Petey and Hughes to sign bridge 1 year deals. 2022 we have 12M come off the books that can be replaced for under 3M.

fast forward to 2022
Miller Pettersson Toffoli
Virtanen/Podkolzin Horvat Boeser
Podkolzin/Virtanen Gaudette UFA or Hoglander?
Motte UFA MacEwen

Hughes Myers
Tryamkin Tanev
Juolevi Rafferty
Rathbone?

Markstrom
UFA

 

[Bleach Clean]

Like, I get that Benning had a really crappy string of work back around the Sbisa, Gudbranson, Sutter days, and a poor start to his tenure. But at what point is it going to clue in that this has been a pretty well run organisation since Trevor Linden was shown the door? And it started getting better before he left too.

At the same time you understand that people have evaluated Benning's work beyond Linden's departure and still find it wanting.

Is that possible? If it is, you have your answer.

Edit: As an aside, I find these post-Leivo and post-Linden arbitrary markers fascinating.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

The real question that needs to be answered before you start bringing up re-signing Toffoli + Markstrom + Tanev is how we get rid of $15m in capspace. Still haven't seen an adequate proposal for how we get out of Myers and Eriksson with limited futures left to trade. The only way these guys have shown any ability to dump bad contracts is to mask the issue by bringing on someone else and hoping it works better.

It would be a matter of dumping some contracts. At least 2/4 will have to go.
Baertschi
Eriksson
Sutter
Beagle

definitely going to be an interesting off season... not an easy task by any means.

 

[xtra]

You do realize that even if you put eriksson in the minors his cap hit less league min +375k count against the cap right.

 

[FreeMcdavid]

im shocked at the 180 some posters have made about their thoughts on Chris Tanev.

It seems every last few trade deadlines or off-season we've been getting on the Canucks for not trading Tanev.....now all of a sudden he has 1 healthy year and we want to re-sign him to a multi year contract?

I love Tanev, dont get me wrong, he is a warrior when he is on the ice, unfortunately there are alot of hard miles on that body and its breaking down. Quinn Hughes has helped preserve Tanev a little more this year but the inevitable will happen and he will miss games, i dont want to be relying on him.

I wouldnt be opposed to signing him if it came with a discount but i wouldnt make it the teams priority to re-sign him this off-season.

If we do re-sign him, i think we need to move away from Troy Stecher. That just becomes a lot of black-hole offensive less Dmen on the team.

 

[Nazzlind]

im shocked at the 180 some posters have made about their thoughts on Chris Tanev.

It seems every last few trade deadlines or off-season we've been getting on the Canucks for not trading Tanev.....now all of a sudden he has 1 healthy year and we want to re-sign him to a multi year contract?

I love Tanev, dont get me wrong, he is a warrior when he is on the ice, unfortunately there are alot of hard miles on that body and its breaking down. Quinn Hughes has helped preserve Tanev a little more this year but the inevitable will happen and he will miss games, i dont want to be relying on him.

I wouldnt be opposed to signing him if it came with a discount but i wouldnt make it the teams priority to re-sign him this off-season.

If we do re-sign him, i think we need to move away from Troy Stecher. That just becomes a lot of black-hole offensive less Dmen on the team.

The thing is, outve the free agent D’s this summer, who can replace Tanev’s role other than Tanev himself and Petro (which obv isn’t gonna happen?)

We’d most likely have to trade for someone, which could be expensive

 

[FreeMcdavid]

The thing is, outve the free agent D’s this summer, who can replace Tanev’s role other than Tanev himself and Petro (which obv isn’t gonna happen?)

We’d most likely have to trade for someone, which could be expensive

There are UFA's available that would be cheaper and more durable than Tanev.

We also have guys that can develop into that role Rafferty, Chatfield, Brisbois, they wont be as good as Tanev to begin with but Tanev being sidelines is useless.

UFA RD Dmen:

Peitrangelo
Barrie
Shattenkirk
Hamonic
Demelo
Braun
Gudas
Psyk
Kevan Miller
Polak
Van riemsdyk
Ruutta

My point is we have options there and dont need to make Tanev a priority. We need to set a limit on what we are comfortable with paying him knowing he will be injured a lot.
Bogosian

 

[4Twenty]

I think the priorities remain to be seen. If Toffoli comes in and scores a PPG on the top line for example, you have to find a way to bring him back. Being the youngest of the 3 is a factor too, for a team in year 1 of it's competitive window.

Not to mention what happens if Demko posts a .920+ SV% down the stretch here? All of a sudden you're looking at a cheap, 24 year old netminder that could be a building block for long-term success. Would be tough to sign a 30+ Markstrom, only to be forced to deal Demko. Especially when you consider this organisation is built around a 20 and 21 year old...

A 1B goalie is still a $3m piece. Especially one that will sign a short deal and still provide quality goaltending.

If Toffoli comes in and scores PPG on the top line he’s probably looking at Evander Kane type $7m extension. The team would be extremely hard Pressed to do that.

 

[MS]

There are UFA's available that would be cheaper and more durable than Tanev.

We also have guys that can develop into that role Rafferty, Chatfield, Brisbois, they wont be as good as Tanev to begin with but Tanev being sidelines is useless.

UFA RD Dmen:

Peitrangelo
Barrie
Shattenkirk
Hamonic
Demelo
Braun
Gudas
Psyk
Kevan Miller
Polak
Van riemsdyk
Ruutta

My point is we have options there and dont need to make Tanev a priority. We need to set a limit on what we are comfortable with paying him knowing he will be injured a lot.
Bogosian

Uh, of the list you present, the only guy there who is actually a top-4 defensive defender is Hamonic. And Pietrangelo, who will get $10 million/year.

The fact that there are a bunch of crappy 3rd pairing defenders available doesn't mean we can slide one of those in for Tanev and just continue on our way without missing a beat.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Funny how Tanev went from being an injury-prone player about to decline who we need to move immediately to an essential piece we can't replace as soon as it began to suit people's ideologies regarding management.

 

[FreeMcdavid]

Uh, of the list you present, the only guy there who is actually a top-4 defensive defender is Hamonic. And Pietrangelo, who will get $10 million/year.

The fact that there are a bunch of crappy 3rd pairing defenders available doesn't mean we can slide one of those in for Tanev and just continue on our way without missing a beat.

Ya they would actually because Tanev will be sideline as per the norm. As good as Tanev is, he is no good to us on the LTIR.

I would love to get Barrie at a home-town discount of around 6mil or less then move on from Tanev and Stecher.

Hughes- xxx ( Cheap stay at home Dman that can PK)
Edler- Barrie
Fatenberg- Myers
Benn

yes please!

 

[FreeMcdavid]

Funny how Tanev went from being an injury-prone player about to decline who we need to move immediately to an essential piece we can't replace as soon as it began to suit people's ideologies regarding management.

My point exactly.

Posters were willing to move him for 3rd round picks and scraps now all of a sudden we should be panicking because there isnt any cap space for him for a multi year deal. NAHHHHHH

 

[MS]

Ya they would actually because Tanev will be sideline as per the norm. As good as Tanev is, he is no good to us on the LTIR.

I would love to get Barrie at a home-town discount of around 6mil or less then move on from Tanev and Stecher.

Hughes- xxx ( Cheap stay at home Dman that can PK)
Edler- Barrie
Fatenberg- Myers
Benn

yes please!

Seems like a great plan if you want to finish 29th in the NHL defensively.

 

[FreeMcdavid]

Seems like a great plan if you want to finish 29th in the NHL defensively.

don't think so. The Barrie hate is over-exagurated . He is a horrible horrible fit in the Leafs system, or lack there of. He is still an elite puck mover and Edler makes anyone he plays with better.

That D-core would make us waaay more of a threat than we are now. Guys like Tanev and Stecher are great but they arent what the new age NHL defence is. We cant have both of them on the same team.

 

[MS]

Funny how Tanev went from being an injury-prone player about to decline who we need to move immediately to an essential piece we can't replace as soon as it began to suit people's ideologies regarding management.

I've never wanted to trade Tanev (short of raking in a huge overpayment) and always thought the over-reaction to his injury issues was comical, for the record. And that he had more value as a d-partner for a developing young defender here than the picks we could get back represented.

But perhaps people see how terrible this team has been defensively this year, and have come to the realization that maybe exacerbating that problem by dumping our best defensive defender (especially if we replace him with a defensive sieve like Tyson Barrie) might not be the best idea.

 

[MS]

don't think so. The Barrie hate is over-exagurated . He is a horrible horrible fit in the Leafs system, or lack there of. He is still an elite puck mover and Edler makes anyone he plays with better.

That D-core would make us waaay more of a threat than we are now. Guys like Tanev and Stecher are great but they arent what the new age NHL defence is. We cant have both of them on the same team.

Tyson Barrie will be an asset and score you 50 points if you stack him up with 70% o-zone starts behind the Pettersson line and give him top-unit PP minutes all season.

However, on a team with Quinn Hughes, neither of those things is ever going to happen. And since the Hughes pairing and the 3rd pairing are going to get the soft/offensive minutes, you're left with one of the worst defensive defenders in the NHL playing on a pairing which should be getting high-leverage defensive minutes, and he'll get destroyed. Or you stick Barrie on the 3rd pairing ... and you're paying $6 million for a 3rd pairing PP specialist who doesn't even play on your top PP.

It's literally the EXACT mistake we just saw Toronto make with Rielly and Barrie, and you're advocating repeating it.

 

[FreeMcdavid]

Tyson Barrie will be an asset and score you 50 points if you stack him up with 70% o-zone starts behind the Pettersson line and give him top-unit PP minutes all season.

However, on a team with Quinn Hughes, neither of those things is ever going to happen. And since the Hughes pairing and the 3rd pairing are going to get the soft/offensive minutes, you're left with one of the worst defensive defenders in the NHL playing on a pairing which should be getting high-leverage defensive minutes, and he'll get destroyed. Or you stick Barrie on the 3rd pairing ... and you're paying $6 million for a 3rd pairing PP specialist who doesn't even play on your top PP.

It's literally the EXACT mistake we just saw Toronto make with Rielly and Barrie, and you're advocating repeating it.

I have Barrie on my PP1

1-3-1

Hughes at the top
Barrie- Boeser (bumper)-Pettersson
Miller at goal-line and screen

Horvat moves to 2nd unti PP to carry on his own, along with the likes of Gaudette and possibly Tofolli if we -resign him. Tofolli and Boeser can switch depending on who plays bumper better


Easy 50 pts for Barrie.

Imagine getting 100+ points between 2 Dman. Thats fabricated offence right there..

Then we have guys like Myers Fattenberg Edler doing the dirty work on the PK etc.

 

[Nazzlind]

Tanev is also our #1 PK D.

Idk, replacing him with Barrie is going down the same path as the Leafs D, which we all know is pretty bad. Markstrom and Demko are good goaltenders, but so is/was Freddy Andersen. We can't rely on goaltending to bail us out every season, especially with how inconsistent the position can be on a year to year basis. Andersen is an example of that.

Our D is an area that needs to be improved, so it makes more sense to make moves that actually do that.

 

[MS]

I have Barrie on my PP1

1-3-1

Hughes at the top
Barrie- Boeser (bumper)-Pettersson
Miller at goal-line and screen

Horvat moves to 2nd unti PP to carry on his own, along with the likes of Gaudette and possibly Tofolli if we -resign him. Tofolli and Boeser can switch depending on who plays bumper better


Easy 50 pts for Barrie.

Imagine getting 100+ points between 2 Dman. Thats fabricated offence right there..

Then we have guys like Myers Fattenberg Edler doing the dirty work on the PK etc.

Your plan will work great in EA Sports. In real life, it sucks.

Toronto isn't struggling defensively because a HHOF head coach like Mike Babcock 'doesn't have a system'. They're struggling because they have a Rielly pairing, a Barrie pairing, and a 3rd pairing. And no matter which pairing is on the ice, the Eichels and Kucherovs of the world have their eyes lighting up at the thought of going against them.

In real life, you need players and pairings you can use in high-leverage defensive minutes. If you don't have that, you're in a world of problems. And that's even before getting into the mess the PK would be.

Also, we have a top-5 PP in the NHL. Spending $6 million+ to tinker with our biggest strength while we leave gaping holes in other areas of the roster is ... not smart. We're already a terrible defensive team being propped up by a Vezina-level season from our starting goalie. We need to tighten up our blueline defensively, not make it worse.