Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft - part II

[TBF1972]

I hope not. We don’t need more quantity, we need quality. It seems like we’re loaded with middle 6 forwards and mid-pairing defensemen in the system. We need blue-chip prospects.

I can see a LHD rotation with Smith, Bahl, Misyul and Okhotyuk down the road and there are more players in the pipeline. There is only one prospect in Drysdale, which you can project as a top pairing RHD, which is the biggest organisational need. I am fine with moving up to get him with the first pick. But jumping back into the Top 8 will be very expensive.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

It's bad enough peolle want to make picks based in positional need now we have ppl wanting to draft Drysdale because he is a left shot. Sanderson is a very good defensmen who we may get with our second pick.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

It's bad enough peolle want to make picks based in positional need now we have ppl wanting to draft Drysdale because he is a left shot. Sanderson is a very good defensmen who we may get with our second pick.

He’s a right hand shot but yeah, drafting based on positional need isn’t the right way to go about it.

The Pavel Zacha pick is the prime example of drafting for need instead of going with the best talent (Provorov).

 

[TBF1972]

It's bad enough peolle want to make picks based in positional need now we have ppl wanting to draft Drysdale because he is a left shot. Sanderson is a very good defensmen who we may get with our second pick.

I am not advocating to move up in the draft, as I just don't see a realistic way to acquire a second Top 8 pick and draft two prospects from the highest tiers. You would need to find a team sitting at 7 or 8, which ranks the tiers differently or you target Askarov with the 9th pick (as part of the same tier). If another team is picking Askarov earlier, you get Perfetti, Rossi or Holtz as a consolation price. But if Askarov is the target, you might get lucky standing pat with the Arizona pick.

 

[NJDevils17]

Don’t draft for positional need. Ever.

I’m okay trading down from the Van pick if it ends up around 20 depending on the board. We could use more assets in the 2nd/3rd with previous trades.

 

[None Shall Pass]

The Pavel Zacha pick is the prime example of drafting for need instead of going with the best talent (Provorov).

Picking a forward was absolutely the right move there - we were barren at the time. We just picked the wrong forward.

Look at the list - 2015 NHL Entry Draft - Wikipedia

Barzal, Rantanen, Boeser, Konecny...

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

Picking a forward was absolutely the right move there - we were barren at the time. We just picked the wrong forward.

Look at the list - 2015 NHL Entry Draft - Wikipedia

Barzal, Rantanen, Boeser, Konecny...

Rantanen, Barzal, Boeser and Konecny were not rated above Provorov and he was the clear cut choice at the time.

Those forwards are all having a terrific career but again, you don’t draft for need, especially when drafting in the top #10.

Our roster can change drastically in 3 to 4 years time. There’s trades, injuries and a lot of other variables that can happen and drafting based off needs is the perfect plan to pass up on a better player.

 

[glenwo2]

So Anthony Brodeur was a good pick?

What in the world does that have to do with what I said?

Okay then. I'll talk your language : "So Jesper Bratt was a good pick?" See how silly this is?

Besides, this isn't an Anthony Brodeur situation. Filip Bratt actually HAS TALENT.

And I'm not going to repeat myself from the previous post regarding his age either.

(good grief....everyone feels the need to have snarky responses around here. smh)

 

[Darkauron]

Bratts brother doesn't look like anything at all. I wouldn't bother with him

 

[OmNomNom]

What in the world does that have to do with what I said?

Okay then. I'll talk your language : "So Jesper Bratt was a good pick?" See how silly this is?

Besides, this isn't an Anthony Brodeur situation. Filip Bratt actually HAS TALENT.

And I'm not going to repeat myself from the previous post regarding his age either.

(good grief....everyone feels the need to have snarky responses around here. smh)

sorry glen, and not trying to make it seem like i'm pickin on you (i'm not, and it's not a rhetorical question), but does he have talent? his stats don't pop out at me. i mean, i see him on this list but that's it
https://thehockeywriters.com/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-february-fisher/

 

[TBF1972]

What in the world does that have to do with what I said?

Okay then. I'll talk your language : "So Jesper Bratt was a good pick?" See how silly this is?

Besides, this isn't an Anthony Brodeur situation. Filip Bratt actually HAS TALENT.

And I'm not going to repeat myself from the previous post regarding his age either.

(good grief....everyone feels the need to have snarky responses around here. smh)

He is not rated among the Top 135 European Skaters on NHL.com. I doubt you have ever seen him play, much less you can evaluate his game in the context of the league he plays in. So aside of him being Jesper Bratt's brother, what makes him draft worthy with a 5th or 6th round pick for you. So far the only reasoning given (let's draft all the unicorns) is not really convincing. So make a case for him not including his older brother.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Rantanen, Barzal, Boeser and Konecny were not rated above Provorov and he was the clear cut choice at the time.

That's not the point I was making. The point I was making was that we drafted for need and drafted the wrong guy to fill that need. Had we drafted one of those other guys, this conversation would be different.

Those forwards are all having a terrific career but again, you don’t draft for need, especially when drafting in the top #10.

Our roster can change drastically in 3 to 4 years time. There’s trades, injuries and a lot of other variables that can happen and drafting based off needs is the perfect plan to pass up on a better player.

Ironically, I disagree based on the price of defensemen. They cost a lot in trades, and the top-pairing ones are never really available in them to begin with. We got Bahl, who projects to be mid-pairing at his best, and Quennville, who is nothing, this year by trade.

We need elite defensive prospects. The only way to do that is to draft them, or pay twice as much for them later in a trade. As far as I'm concerned, for the Devils this year, the BPA after the top-2 is the best D prospect not yet drafted.

 

[glenwo2]

He is not rated among the Top 135 European Skaters on NHL.com. I doubt you have ever seen him play, much less you can evaluate his game in the context of the league he plays in. So aside of him being Jesper Bratt's brother, what makes him draft worthy with a 5th or 6th round pick for you. So far the only reasoning given (let's draft all the unicorns) is not really convincing. So make a case for him not including his older brother.

See? If you would've responded THAT WAY instead of your original post, I would've said "Okay fine. whatever. It's just a thought".

 

[glenwo2]

sorry glen, and not trying to make it seem like i'm pickin on you (i'm not, and it's not a rhetorical question), but does he have talent? his stats don't pop out at me. i mean, i see him on this list but that's it
https://thehockeywriters.com/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-february-fisher/

Yeah I know that. I tried doing a search on any highlights but no dice.

Anyway, I was just responding to Nubmer's post where he said we could find the next Jesper Bratt with the 5th rounder and I responded with "well? Why not get his brother instead?". (I was more or less kidding around)

It was just some harmless fun that exploded into something else entirely 'cause some people can't provide constructive criticism instead of giving out one-liners that have zero-to-do with the subject matter.


And, to be frank with you, Filip Bratt DOES have talent in comparison to Anthony. That's not a question in my mind.

 

[OmNomNom]

Yeah I know that. I tried doing a search on any highlights but no dice.

Anyway, I was just responding to Nubmer's post where he said we could find the next Jesper Bratt with the 5th rounder and I responded with "well? Why not get his brother instead?". (I was more or less kidding around)

It was just some harmless fun that exploded into something else entirely 'cause some people can't provide constructive criticism instead of giving out one-liners that have zero-to-do with the subject matter.


And, to be frank with you, Filip Bratt DOES have talent in comparison to Anthony. That's not a question in my mind.

hahahaha oh anthony.... damn you lou why did you let it happen

 

[glenwo2]

hahahaha oh anthony.... damn you lou why did you let it happen

It would've been one thing if Anthony turned out to be an NHL goaltender.

Even if he wasn't going to be remotely as good as his dad, it at least would've made the pick somewhat worth the trouble.

Instead, where is he now? It's like he doesn't exist anymore.

What a bad pick by Lou then.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

That's not the point I was making. The point I was making was that we drafted for need and drafted the wrong guy to fill that need. Had we drafted one of those other guys, this conversation would be different.

Ironically, I disagree based on the price of defensemen. They cost a lot in trades, and the top-pairing ones are never really available in them to begin with. We got Bahl, who projects to be mid-pairing at his best, and Quennville, who is nothing, this year by trade.

We need elite defensive prospects. The only way to do that is to draft them, or pay twice as much for them later in a trade. As far as I'm concerned, for the Devils this year, the BPA after the top-2 is the best D prospect not yet drafted.

Well if we would be drafting the right guy all the time, we wouldn’t be in this mess in the 1st place. Provorov was the best player available on the board and we went with someone else, to fill a need.

As for Drysdale, if Stuztle is off the board, he’s the guy I’d target as well since to me, he’s the BPA after the top #2 and Stuztle. But if we’re picking 3rd overall, I’m still taking the forward over the dman.

 

[Nubmer6]

Yeah I know that. I tried doing a search on any highlights but no dice.

Anyway, I was just responding to Nubmer's post where he said we could find the next Jesper Bratt with the 5th rounder and I responded with "well? Why not get his brother instead?". (I was more or less kidding around)

It was just some harmless fun that exploded into something else entirely 'cause some people can't provide constructive criticism instead of giving out one-liners that have zero-to-do with the subject matter.


And, to be frank with you, Filip Bratt DOES have talent in comparison to Anthony. That's not a question in my mind.

I'm not interested in getting all the Bratts.

I'm interested in getting all the Jespers. We just need to draft Jesper Wallstedt next year and sign Jesper Fast as a UFA

 

[R8Devs]

It's bad enough peolle want to make picks based in positional need now we have ppl wanting to draft Drysdale because he is a left shot. Sanderson is a very good defensmen who we may get with our second pick.

Drysdale is a right shot.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Drysdale is a right shot.

That's beside the point, you dont draft in the first 2 rounds for needs, especially which way a player shoots. For all we know one of our prospects will play/likes to play his offside. Who knows maybe Reilly Walsh and Case McCarthy take off in the next year.

 

[Nubmer6]

That's beside the point, you dont draft in the first 2 rounds for needs, especially which way a player shoots. For all we know one of our prospects will play/likes to play his offside.

The problem is how do you determine the BPA between a F and a D? I think it's not very clear-cut.

I really think if you have a few players that are a hair apart in your rankings, it's fine to go for need out of that group.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

The problem is how do you determine the BPA between a F and a D? I think it's not very clear-cut.

I really think if you have a few players that are a hair apart in your rankings, it's fine to go for need out of that group.

Drysdale isnt in my top 7 for this draft, I highly doubt one of my players in the 2nd/3red tier won't be available at 6.

 

[R8Devs]

That's beside the point, you dont draft in the first 2 rounds for needs, especially which way a player shoots. For all we know one of our prospects will play/likes to play his offside. Who knows maybe Reilly Walsh and Case McCarthy take off in the next year.

I didn't say to draft for need. Ty Smith plays on his offside and there's a chance he does that here. But if the Devils pick mid top 10 there's a decent chance they'll have him rated as the BPA.

This is what Scott Wheeler says about him:
It feels unjust to have Drysdale, who is better than last year’s top defenseman (Bowen Byram, fourth overall in 2019 to the Avalanche) at the same age, ranked eighth here. He’s the best defenseman in the draft by a wide margin and that will mean that he (rightfully so) gets picked higher than this. I wouldn’t fault a team for taking him at No. 3. He’s that good. Drysdale is one of the smoothest-skating draft-eligible defensemen in recent memory (right up there with Quinn Hughes), with light, almost-floating edge work and perfect balance through his core when he’s on his toes or his heals, moving in any direction.

I'll go BPA all the way so if they pick a forward I'm all for it because the top end forwards in this draft are really hard to pass on-- honestly if they pick Sanderson early that's who I'd probably be a little bit disappointed with. But that's just based on reports of his play/playstyle so what do I know

 

[Nico Hischier]

Well if we would be drafting the right guy all the time, we wouldn’t be in this mess in the 1st place. Provorov was the best player available on the board and we went with someone else, to fill a need.

As for Drysdale, if Stuztle is off the board, he’s the guy I’d target as well since to me, he’s the BPA after the top #2 and Stuztle. But if we’re picking 3rd overall, I’m still taking the forward over the dman.

I completely agree with you.

Provorov was rated really high that draft. There was even talk about Toronto picking him 3rd. I wanted him because I didn’t want to gift him to the flyers, which we did.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

I'm not a huge fan in Wheeler but if NJD have him as BPA then he will be selected, not because he is a dmen and certainly not because he is a right shot. Also, Byram is a disaster of a dmen who will need time in the AHL to develop IMO. Terrible habits.